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god!! thank you!!! i’ll be parting with some cash very soon! The one’s i have been drooling over are fair game!! Thank you so much for the response , you’ve soothed my troubled mind. man , the new clone theory into the polyphase are just what any polysynth’s doctor ordered! great point about the hog and memory man, that would be an awesome combo to any sound! i have the small stone and small clone i use quite alot, and while they’re great pedals, the aforementioned pedals would be a great step up. I guess i should have mentioned my concerns were mostly with digital chorus and phasing, i’ve used okay new rack units, and they can’t hold a match to the E-H pedals, and these new ones have more options! rad.
Tri5onautMemberyeah, i certainly didn’t want this to turn into a old vs. new thing, they both obviously have their own place and it’d be silly to nitpick the difference. New forum , lot’s of new pedals to talk about. I will definitely ask some specifics in the other forums, for me it’s a huge deal, not being a guitarist, if i feed an analog oscillator or signal into a digital effect , it has the opposite effect i desire. Instead of adding sparkling goodness to the sound, i start loosing the vibe of the patch that made it special, like modulation movement or the desirable phase cancelations that are so delicate to begin with. But that being said , i can’t stress how eager i am to find out which of the new pedals have 100% analog signal paths/ sound generating circuitry. Maybe a new thread for keyboardist with similar thoughts on this would be in order. My search led me here. Thanks again for the tip , i’ll head over that way…
Tri5onautMemberMan, my rant / perspective / opinion really helped me get my piece of mind off my chest, ( not a whole lot of people are into quality gear – so these forums are really nice ) but it’s more like shaking my fist in the air. “Did you just see what God did to me, man? ” But i have to only respect Costch’s opinion and almost demand to the powers that be , that a solution will present itself. (They usually do)
ALSO, he raises an excellent point about keeping up old/used/vintage pedals. I am a tech and a keyboard player , no pedals, moog or electro harmonix will ever touch the floor. For many reasons just like what was listed on fender ehx 4ever’s previous link. So, they never get dirty, and they look as new as they sound. SO, you go to look on ebay to complete the collection and you see all these git-fiddlin’ guitarists who don’t care what it looks like, they look destroyed after they’re done with them. vintage amps and guitars are a mystery to me, they sell for a premium no matter how battered they are. Vintage keyboards / rack equipment are totally dependent on condition.AND , i’ll say this as nicely as possible , for anyone who’s really ever serviced an antique digital reverb or BBD based Chorus/Delay etc…. knows those are custom, out-dated BBD or proprietary IC’s, and while you can still get the panasonic’s (doubt the pinout is compatible – roland used alot of similar ones, as well as proprietary ic’s.) the point is you simply can’t find replacement parts.
The real issue underpinning all of this though is the fact that the classic chassis does have an awkward flaw like every other piece of gear utilizing modern manufacturing techniques. The potentiometers and footswitches are soldered to the board, then those components are mounted to the chassis. Everything’s great- until you step on it wrong or, on uneven flooring, apply awkward pressure onto the case. Then your putting direct pressure on the PCB. This is not as serious as it sounds, if you abuse it, it will break. But i implore anyone buying second hand E-H pedals to immediately open it up, and see if one of the corners or 1/2 of the board is hot-glued back together with wire jumpers completing the broken traces. This is the only and best fix, but is NOT gig worthy , and i wouldn’t step on it ever again, but it should work for a long time. So for those of us buying choice pieces of coveted gear (new or old) and not just looking at them as utilitarian as a pair of boots- “caveat emptor”
Long message – but on a related note- where is E-H tech support? i’ve been looking for a phone # or (i guess) email. I need to talk to a tech to find out some of differences in circuit design with the new pedals. Are they hybrid digital/analog – like the new memory man w/ harzai – it obviously has some smarts with patch memories, but is the signal processing still 100% analog etc…. questions just like this.
Thanks again you guys!!!!!
Tri5onautMemberthose are some great points, thank you guys for this forum , this is very therapeutic for me. *hyperventilates into paper bag * Although, these being premium analog pedals priced to compete with the sterile, boring japanese clones , you could hardly call that competition! *he he* Anyone parting with their cash can see and hear the difference right away. Thanks and Happy tweaking!!!
Tri5onautMemberi didn’t mean for the previous post to be taken the wrong way, i’m frustrated, most of my pedals are E-H, AND i’m glad they made smaller, cheaper pedals for the masses, but for every 5 of them, there’s one of me who’s got Moog’s , modulars, and other analog boards , and i didn’t come this far to “get the smaller one”. Steel costs alot more now. i’d be willing to pay $100 – $150 more for some of the new nano’s in the classic format. my head is reeling over the new stereo polyphase, clone theory , and that new voice box! i remember a time in the not-so- distant past before the boutique’s popped up everywhere, EH was where you went to spend some dough on a bad ass analog pedal. and it still is. i feel like i’m sounding snooty with all this. i just , like, the,.. old style. for reference, i make 10 lousy bux an hour, but i’m patient and really enjoy playing with frequencies on inspiring equipment…..
Tri5onautMemberHi! i just found this forum, i have been toiling over this same issue for a while, and this is the place to talk about it. There is still room for the classic chassis with a bigger price tag, i feel. look at all the boutique pedals out there. I too really like the aesthetics and size of the classic box (being a keyboard player, and needing them at arm’s reach) but it goes beyond fashion and the gratifying size of the knobs with every tweak, they reissued all these rad “vintage” pedals versions only in the tiny format, while they should have offered bigger, real, counterparts , just like they’ve always done. My real issue on top of all this is the size of those $4 diecast boxes would suggest the use of (more) surface mount devices instead of IC’s and discreet components, keeping me further away from getting an equinox mod done to a small stone. ( not like i could do it to one of the reissued classic’s anyway), It’s ironic, The use of smaller pcb’s w/ more SSD’s could have led to a new line of EHX modular effects w/ complete CV control ( cream dream! ) It would be effective for them to make , no power supply, a board hanging off a rectangle piece of silk screened metal. aghhh!! please heed my call! It would be nice to have the option to mod any of the new pedals coming out, just about all of the old pedals can be modded in some way, but this makes that hope go out like a fart in the dark.
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