Thanks for all the help & ideas , I been mucking about a bit and following some standard ideas on pedal placement some experimental madness .
Both methods seem to work but the madness option wins out , The Riddle is a wizzard & a true star of a pedal.
It amazes me that after playing using modeled effects for so long , that I can find the real muff pi so unique & brand new , my eyes & mind are truly open now and fixiated on stompboxes
It took a wee while to get them but I was lucky to have some friends keeping an eye out for some of them.
I kinda like sonic landscapes & blues with a twist of psychedelic garage rock thrown in so ehx pedals are a no brainer for me.
Thanks for the help I’m gonna try them out , of and your right bout the patch leads I need a bundle
Thanks again guys , I’m always a bit nervous when I post for the first time so the reply is sure appreciated