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muzik 4 machinesMember
i love the syb3/5 on synths, mostly the waveshaper mode
November 2, 2011 at 7:23 pm in reply to: Electro-Harmonix V256 and Daft Punk’s Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger #116260muzik 4 machinesMemberhere’s my first try at it
November 2, 2011 at 7:20 pm in reply to: Electro-Harmonix V256 and Daft Punk’s Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger #116259muzik 4 machinesMemberhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjuciLlxn9c
first tryas to what tehy used, word on the street is that the speech is a speak and spell that was then vocoded, but talkboxing with the v256 carrier gets pretty close, tho i should add another distortion to the carrier(and learn circular breathing as this needs LOTS of breath lol)
muzik 4 machinesMemberQuote:yeah, the internal synths don’t have a built in portamento function. but I’m sure you could possibly do it with the right midi controller. I wouldn’t know, though, because I really only use the vocoder settings with an external instrument. for the record, though, each of the vox robo settings has only one voice, the single drone has two, and the major/minor drones each have three. you can’t portamento between them though. they’re meant to work like chords. I hope this helped, at least a little.not really possible unless you sequence it with pitch bends landing on the right note every time(so max 1 oct each side without re triggering)
as for the voices, avery mode in MIDI, has plenty of voices (over 10 for sure, I lacked more fingers after that lol) and to make thing worse, the synth algo has no real voice allocation volume compensation, so the out gets like 6db louder with every note creating a clusterfuck of clipping
i really hope they put a sysex update to fix this and the midi channel lockout (tho that part i managed to make work with my midi time piece
and since its really just a softsynth running on a dsp chip, they could even make it a fully VA with filters and midi controls if they wanted to(limited only by the chip speed), but i’m sure they could do a midi sysex update adding mono/poly switch on a MIDI cc and portamento on cc#5 (and fix the volume problem too)biggest problem with no mono mode is if you play it manually, you need to be PERFECT and NEVER EVER overlap 2 notes cause 1 it makes a big volume bump and it sounds crappy, especially if you try to “solo” in a chick corea way while vocoding/talkboxing
Quote:also, I’m not sure if these are meant to be used in immediate conjunction with talkboxes… how do you have it setup, out of curiosity?my setup is a bit abusive for this
mic goes into mic in as expected
nothing goes in instrument inthe direct 1/4 instrument out is sent to my amp and talkbox (actually there is a dist+, a wha, a volume pedal and a leslie simulator before the amp(oh and i use a line selector, more on that later))
the talkbox tube is brought back at the mic
the XLR out of the v256 is sent to the FOH (not really but ill explain later)
so with mix set to dry, in every mode there is a synth signal coming of the inst out (saw for robot, organ like on every other)
here comes the line selector(Bos LS2)
the synth signal is sent to the input of the LS2
loop 1 send is looped back in loop 1 returnloop 2 sent sends to the fx chain and amp/talkbox
loop 2 return gets the V256 output(so mic on dry and vocoder on wet)LS2 out goes in my mixer
so switching on loop 1 i get the pure synth (hence the disto, wha, and leslie, so i can use it as another synth)
switching on loop 2 gets me the v256 outputso if i set mix to dry, i have a plain mic with sound in the talkbox tube so i can use it
putting the mix to wet brings the vocoder, i just pedal down the volume in the pedalboard to stop the tube from blasting saw wave in the mic and can talk/sing in teh vocoder ou autotunerusing inst pitch mode)
Quote:oh, also, the tone knob cuts treble frequencies as you turn it left of the center position, and random harmonics are added to the instrument signal as you turn it right of the center postions. if you’re using the internal synths, it creates a frequency multiplication of the synths and works pretty much like a ring modulator.
again, I hope this was helpful.not actually, the tone knob 9and for that matter the formant and slide tme in some modes and the bands/resonance in the vocoder modes) are applied uniquely to the vocoded sound, not the internal synth
the synth is a plain saw wave with vibrato via mod wheel, there is NO other tone shaping, no enveloppes, no filters, no FM, AM, ring or any modulation, 1 pure saw wave
and the drones are an organ like tone, again with no control besides vibrato/vib speed and bend
sorry that was a long reply
btw here’s a pic of the setup for the v256
right click and select view image to view full image, this forum doesnt scal or put a scroll bar in images it seems
muzik 4 machinesMemberok here’s come the bad news, it has NO PORTAMENTO or SLIDE
polyphony is many but the voice allocation sucks(voulume doubles with every note instead of being reduced (i blew my talkbox with a chord)muzik 4 machinesMemberno one has ANY info on that most important tech specs they left out in the manual?
muzik 4 machinesMemberthey don’t even respond to emails it seems, damn i tought they were “in touch” by looking at all the user stuff and facebook/twitter/youtube going on, i’m a bit disapointed
muzik 4 machinesMemberI will as soon as I get the unit
May 27, 2011 at 3:38 am in reply to: Electro-Harmonix V256 and Daft Punk’s Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger #115329muzik 4 machinesMemberi bought one to cover that song just today as the talkbox (whick i was so sure it was) ended up to be not quite there as Cryabetes said i think it’s a combination, so, my new vocal chain will be a bit tricky but i think it will yeald the results im looking for (for that particular track im covering live and for many new ones to come):
ill probably use only the internal synth controlled via MIDI(tho i might feed it the mks, but having it on a separate channel will allow me to sequence t independently form the lead lines (im suing the ESX as my main sequencer, only 2 parts, so ill put up some sequences in live just for the v256(i think after i do that on all 256 patterns, i’ll just move all sequencing duty to ableton and use the esx solely for drums and controls))
anyway enough about my really complicated live rig, the vocal chain will be:
the mic in the v256 mic in
the inst out set to all dry(internal synth) directly in my talkbox
the talkbox tube in my mouth, strapped to the said mic
the line out of the v256 will then go to FOH separate from the main stereo music mix so he can adjust more evenly than i can do it playing and mixing all the machines and trying to sing at the same timeso having the blend to CCW (dry) i get a nice talkbox signal from the v256 (which in robot mode sounds pretty perfect for a talkbox carrier(sounds saw like to me), when i blend 100% fx, i get a vocoder or pitch corrector for signing
and in vocoder moda, i can sing with my voice(instead of just mouthing) with the tube in my mouth, vocoding the dry voice and talkboxed signal, which i think could get me pretty close to the intelligibility of HBFS, with the talkbox-ness of, well, a talkboxanyway, wow, for a second post i went all out 😆
muzik 4 machinesMemberhi, new user (actually paid for but haven’t received it yet
is it possible to change the MIDI channel, as that would be a dealbreaker of not, as using hardware sequencer changing the midi channel may require a playback stop (it does on the electribes i use) and i have pre set midi channel for different hardware synth and one of those, the lead one, can only receive on 1, 2 and 3 so the lead part is always assigned to channel 3(jx3p) and so should be the v256, and also, i use another device that forces MIDI channel 16 as a mixer so that channel is all control changesbut thinking out loud, i might be able to re route channels in my MIDI time piece, but still a big bumer to have only 16 and omni (which is really not practical in a hardware live situation with all channels being pretty much loaded with data flowing through them, maybe since it has a midi in the firmware can get some upgrades?
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