You’re talking around my point Rack systems are allways digital, so it rules out analog magic. Plus in every rack system there are a few great effects, and some crap/worse. With individual pedals you have way more choice in effects (as in you can choose the best pedal per effect).
I agree! I wasn’t suggesting a rack ‘system’ or multi fx (heaven forbid!!) I was just saying that for loop use rack delay/reverbs usually work better than pedals. That’s my point.
my ‘point’ was to DJo_666 really who seems to be upset that his pedal doesn’t like being in the loop…… and I just don’t think you can expect pedals to work in a line level loop unless it is explicitly stated that it was designed to be used that way. If they do, great…but it shouldn’t be taken as a given imo.
….anyway carry on.
I agree completely. I always assumed that delay devices of any kind would work in the loop, since that’s where so many people use them. I’ve since started checking input specs and testing pedals that I plan to put there.
I’m not convinced that multi-effects are only for beginners and those who don’t know what they want. So many professional musicians use them, and I’ve found that in the last 3-4 years the quality has improved radically. I haven’t liked the tone quality of the POD gear, but the GT-8 and GT-10 from BOSS are top notch and I suspect that the G-System measures up also. I just find that I don’t want ten parameters in my phaser (for example), and I’d rather get a pedal that I love even (or especially) if it only has one or two controls.
Well okay, but the pro’s use rack gear that I could never afford.
I do have to disagree about the GT-8/10 though, yes at home you can get very very good sounds out of it (after a long time tweaking!). But live .. it just doesn’t have the feel and has a great potential for fizzing and buzzing way too much.
I guess that is also caused because a lot of people create patches at bedroomvolume, and than play it at live-volume live..
Also: no I don’t want 10 parameters either, but I do feel a strange attractiom to pedals with 10 knobs strangely enough 😆 I guess I just like actual knobs.. even though I’m a computer geek..
You’re talking around my point Rack systems are allways digital, so it rules out analog magic. Plus in every rack system there are a few great effects, and some crap/worse. With individual pedals you have way more choice in effects (as in you can choose the best pedal per effect).
I agree! I wasn’t suggesting a rack ‘system’ or multi fx (heaven forbid!!) I was just saying that for loop use rack delay/reverbs usually work better than pedals. That’s my point.
my ‘point’ was to DJo_666 really who seems to be upset that his pedal doesn’t like being in the loop…… and I just don’t think you can expect pedals to work in a line level loop unless it is explicitly stated that it was designed to be used that way. If they do, great…but it shouldn’t be taken as a given imo.
….anyway carry on.
Ah yes! My effects life started out with a Boss ME-50, I just loved the analog feel of the thing!
But slowly I started to get more and more loose pedals, until one day I took the ME-50 out of the chain .. and my sound jumped several stages up in quality!
My point: Multieffects are for beginners or people who don’t know what they want. I know what I want and I want every single sound to be highest quality (within a reasonable price range).
The strange thing is: my DD-20 is supposed to work well in the loop. And now it does .. but a few days ago (I thought) it was farting around like I described. :S I’m going to play around a bit more today and I’ll post back on it!
Why do you feel the need to run stompboxes in your effects loop? get a rack unit if you want to go down that route…. personally, I don’t think (most) pedals are really designed for it, all my stomps sound better in front of my amp to me.
No offence, but that’s a bit short sighted now isn’t it?
1. I don’t want a rack with one piece of gear in it
2. I don’t want 500fx .. all sub par
3. I don’t want 20fx, all excellent digital .. for a thousand euro’s/dollars
4. I want to solder around in my pedals!!!
5. … Pedals (should) work fine in fx loops, and I want to be able to footswitch my pedals
It might well be short sighted on the part of pedal makers but i’m just telling it how it is. Stompboxes on the whole are designed to accept instument level signals…. look in almost any manual for a pedal and it will tell you to connect it between guitar and amp. You might think that pedals should work in a line level loop but the fact of the matter is most of them don’t. (very well anyway imo) That’s just the facts as I see them.
….I have modulation pedals that clip with hot pickups.
You’re talking around my point Rack systems are allways digital, so it rules out analog magic. Plus in every rack system there are a few great effects, and some crap/worse. With individual pedals you have way more choice in effects (as in you can choose the best pedal per effect).
One pro for rack systems: one AD/DA, if you have more than one digital pedal that will be a pro.
is there a minimum of owned EHX pedals to become an admin? :poke:
Yes, it’s been awhile, but IIRC Scott’s minimum requirements were:
5 vintage units
3 tube models
3 XO models
2 Big Muff Pis
3 Deluxe Memory Man units
2 Small Stone units
2 Electric Mistress Units
1 vintage 9v battery
3 pieces of swag
2 vintage catalogs
and the letters EHX tattooed across your forehead :metal:
It was a tough initiation period, but it was well worth it!
Pics or GTFO!! 😆
Well .. I score well on requirement number 2 .. period!
I guess I’ll have to drop out and start working my ass off immediatly! 😆
BTW, this becomes a much bigger deal on multi-channel amps. If I used (e.g.) a Marshall Vintage Modern with a single channel, and used only pedals for gain, then this wouldn’t be such an issue because I could run the delay between the gain pedals and the amp. I use a Peavey JSX with 3 channels with totally differnt gain structures, and some effects MUST (my opinion) be after the preamp so that I can switch channels without having to adjust a bunch of effect parameters.
Yes!!! This also, my amp has several loops:
– Individual parallel loops for clean and gain channels, individually mixable.
– Overal parallel/series loop with mix/return level
– Pre-amp out/poweramp in
I use the first two with the combined return jack, so I have one loop, with a mix knob per channel.
It gives me the possibility to tone down the effects on the gain channel a bit, something I couldn’t possibly do otherwise.
BTW. I know what you’re thinking: Laney VC100 (100 watts fulltube roar!!)
And a DD-20, CEB-3 and coming up in the long distance an Eventide ModFactor in the loop.
Why do you feel the need to run stompboxes in your effects loop? get a rack unit if you want to go down that route…. personally, I don’t think (most) pedals are really designed for it, all my stomps sound better in front of my amp to me.
No offence, but that’s a bit short sighted now isn’t it?
1. I don’t want a rack with one piece of gear in it
2. I don’t want 500fx .. all sub par
3. I don’t want 20fx, all excellent digital .. for a thousand euro’s/dollars
4. I want to solder around in my pedals!!!
5. … Pedals (should) work fine in fx loops, and I want to be able to footswitch my pedals
By the way, I’ve just re-tested my rig at considerable volume .. and the farting is completely gone :S I can’t replicate it either.. I wonder if something else was farting last time 😆
I don’t know why this problem with delays isn’t more widely acknowledged. I suppose it’s expensive to make a pedal run at both line and instrument level (although TC put this feature into a pedal with a pile of other great features for around $180). The Hardwire delay runs both line and instrument with a single input, but I question the effectiveness of an input that accepts such a wide range of signals. I think the dual inputs on the Nova Repeater are the best way to go!
Well it gets even stranger: the DD-20 is switchable from -20db to +4db .. but that only makes the problem greater It sounds better on the lower volumes, but around half volume it starts farting even harder than before!
I’m really hoping for positive news on the SMMH .. I’ve been wanting it but needing justification haha