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kimruizMemberQuote:yep. you’ll need more sends, but then you can use it for paralell processing if you’d want too. Essentially you break the M13 into M13(pre) and M13(post).
The M13’s input to FXloop send is (Pre), the input comes from an fx send bus on the mixer, the fxloop send goes to its own channel.
Then the M13 return goes to an fx send bus on the mixer, and the output goes to its own channel(s) on the mixer (post).Now as long as the (pre) mixer channel goes to whatever you want in the effects loop, and the effects loop return goes to the (post) send, it’ll behave rather identically to the typical m13 effects loop.
Also, like I said before, this opens up the possibility of paralell processing – have the guitar sound send to the (pre) and (post) channels simultaneously and both of those routed out to the amp. which is exciting. to me, anyway.
Sounds like a good solution! Although I’m terribly confused right now by all the the sends and returns back and forth, it sounds like it would work.
How many fx sends will I need on the mixer?
Thanks!
kimruizMemberQuote:do you know if you can use the FX blender as an expression pedal with an insert cable? and can you set up the M13 to use an expression pedal to control effects send level?Nope, doesn’t work!
I get what you’re saying with the mixer. Sounds good!
But the problem is, that with the Line 6 M13 you can put the effects loop where you want to in the chain of 4 independent effects “modules” that the pedal essesntialy consists of. The M13 is designed so that you have four modules set up in a chain, where you can assign different effects to each module. For example you can have first an overdrive, then a filter, then a delay, and then a reverb.
In the setup menu of the M13 you can choose where in the chain you want to place the effects loop, and you can save different preferences for each preset.
With having the 2880 after the FX Blender in the effects loop, I can place the looper anywhere I want to in the M13 chain. I can have my filter after the looper and toy with it as the loop goes along.
Can I do this with the mixer solution?
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kimruizMemberquote author=”Cryabetes” date=”1318960328″]hm. i’d skip the DI suggestion then, if it’s not ground noise.
Does the sound that happens sound more or less like velcro? I had that happen with mine last night, although the Clip LEDs weren’t lighting it was rather audibly clipping. Is it constant or does it depend what you’re putting into it (ie, you play louder, the noise gets worse)?Also, how high do you have the gain?
XLR F is the end of a mic cable that goes into the mic. It has the holes that the prongs of the mic go into, so it is the female (F) end. DI boxes typically only have Male ends so a female-to-female adapter would allow you to take an XLR balanced signal and convert it back to unbalanced but whose ground plane was disconnected from everything before the first DI box.[/quote]
Yes, a bit like velcro i guess you can say. It is pretty loud, and sounds kind of like when you’re trying to dial in a radio station and gets stuck right between stations. Static, white noise.
It doesn’ matter if I play loud or not. It’s there even when I have no signal at all coming from the guitar.
I have the input gain set to 0.
BUT if I put the 2880 at the very end of the signal chain, going into the amp, the noise problem is all gone. Then it functions just like it should. The problem is that I don’t want to have it at the end of my chain. It shouldn’t behave like it does.
kimruizMemberAnd to get rid of the noise, all I have to do is unplug one of the cables in the signal chain prior to the 2880, and plug it back in. I tried to see if perhaps something was wrong with the FX Blender, so I bypassed the 2880 and tried the same thing. But this time: No thump, no noise. It’s the 2880 that seems to be the problem.
kimruizMemberOh, and another thing that left me puzzled, is that when I have my FX blender toe down (passing signal through the Nano stone, Ibanez DCF10, and the Magicstomp), and I turn on another amp in the room, there is no problem with the noise.
However if I turn on the amp having it heel down, bypassing those pedals, and going straight into the 2880, there is a ‘thump’ in my amp, and the noise is back again.
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kimruizMemberQuote:alright so to me, this sounds like a ground noise problem, probably caused by the AC adapter of either the M13 or Magic Stomp (both of which are 9vAC units, as opposed to the typical 9vDC adapter- AC power, while not necessarily BAD, doesn’t get caught by power filtration caps and so can pollute a ground bus with hum.)-Are you using the supplied adapters for the M13, Magicstomp and 2880?
-Your JC120 probably doesn’t have a ground switch, huh?You could also probably eliminate this with a DI box or two- so the end of your signal chain looks like
M13 output -> DI box (ground lifted) -> xlr F to xlr F adapter/cable -> DI box -> JC120 amplifier.Otherwise, try removing single pieces of your setup and seeing if the hum vanishes.
(also the first problem sounds like what happens when you don’t have a CF card in it, or if the CF card came dislodged. Be gentle when you insert/remove the cards- those card readers are not cheap to get fixed on these units.)
Thanks for your reply!
I do use the supplied adapters for the 2880, the Magicstomp and the M13. For the Boss BD-2 I use a Boss PSA adapter, and for the rest of the pedals I use a Onespot and a daisy chain.
The weird thing is that if this is a ground issue, shouldn’t it had been around from the beginning? It just came out of nowhere after using it for a couple of times. It came at the same time as the CF card problem (which I solved by formatting it), but the noise is still there.
Also, the noise is nothing like a 60 cycle hum, it’s more like loud static noise.
And the really wierd thing is that it’s not there all the time, and that it comes back as soon as i turn one some othere electric device nearby.
I’ve narrowed it down to being the 2880 that is the source of the noise. Could it be a faulty unit? Or should I try out the thing with the DI box?And could you explain thatt XLR F thing for me? I know what an XLR cable is, but not XLR F. Sorry! My english isn’t that good.
Thanks!
kimruizMemberQuote:How do you have it hooked up? What’s going into it, what’s it feeding, etc?Signal chain:
Fender Telecaster –
Boss Blues Driver BD-2 – Line 6 M13 –
Line 6 M13 effects send – [Morley FX Blender send – EHX Nano Stone Phaser – Ibanez DCF10 Chorus/Flanger – Yamaha Magicstomp Multi Effect – Morley FX Blender return] – EHX 2880 Looper – Line 6 M13 effects return
Line 6 M13 output – Roland JC-120 AmpThanks man.
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