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It’s possible the frequency centre isn’t high enough.
How can i determine the centre frequency?
Also what determines the frequency width –>Q ?
Graham.
inPlexicatedMemberQuote:But anyways, there’s tons of different combinations of pots and caps you can use, and they all interact a bit if you futz with it in Duncan’s calculator.Yes I know the permutations are endless…..
In a month I’ll be sitting on the floor of a white padded room, rocking back and forth with a laptop doing “final” tweaking :freak:
BTW do know if they make dual ganged linear/log hybrid pots? I’ve googled a bit..
Graham
inPlexicatedMemberHey Julian,
Looks like the graph is a casualty.Thats okay though I’ve been looking at all the “curves”.I can see the scoop of the BMP and perhaps you’re right,maybe they decided to have a somewhat traditional product sound “Tube Pi” lol!
Yes being a passive tonestack it’s all subtraction without the triode powering the signal there wouldnt probably be much of a signal at the end left even with the pots turned all the way up.
The Bass is muddy (useless) after 1 o’clock so boosting it was pointless.The pedal wasn’t aimed at the heavy metal crowd.All they did was frustrate the consumer who desired classic rock tones -which by the config and graphics is the consumer it’s focussed on.It’s not a tube version of the Metal Muff.
Yes your idea for revisions are good.I also had thought of having switches to add or subtract values giving added flexibility.
The suggestion for tone by-pass actually maybe the best.That way not only is there less tonal degredation,I choose how I get to condition the signal’s EQ.I could also install a switch to add or remove a gain stage too.
I already intended to make a project of this.I think what I’m going to do is create a bank of tonestacks on a board and experiment on values.
“I love the smell of solder in the morning”
Again thanks bunches for your efforts Julian,you’ve helped tremendously,
Graham.
inPlexicatedMemberQuote:This forum isn’t super useful as far as modifications goes. More for troubleshooting really, because modding is such a nice thing. I replied to your topic and I’ll try to give you insight. Freestompboxes is great for finding schematics (even if there’s a bit of gray morality to it. Some people are very against the site.) but as far as tech stuff goes, nothing beats DIYstompboxes.com. They know their stuff very well over there.Yes I can understand “reverse engineering” is usually included when intellectual exploitation is the topic.
In my circumstance it’s just enhancement of a purchased product.
inPlexicatedMemberQuote:You know, I’m not sure. . . I’m still learning about this stuff myself.One thing you have to consider is that people all have different guitars, different amps, and different cabs.
Your setup may be relatively bright and you might not need so much of the treble. Someone else might have a very dark amp/cab/guitar combo and need more.
Or sometimes people like to run effects chains in parallel and blend. Sometimes a lot of treble is beneficial. You can get some really great dirt tones with heavy treble in one parallel chain, and a really thick bassy distortion in the other.
I know what you mean about set differing set ups.But this type of consumer product people expect a balanced control function.I think it would have been extremely popular with people had they stuck with the classic circuit
I’ve used a treble booster for the last 25 years for the usual reasons.
One of my newer amps is a Dr Z Z-28 and it like pretty much all Z amps are very bright.Using a noramlly voice pedal still requires high-end attenuation.
The English Muffin’s high control is like no other pedal or preamp I’ve ever encoutered.Maybe it’s like an original tweed Bassmans after all it’s where the cathode follower design was first employed in a music amp.It’s treble control is like shattering glass too.
Now I know why,due to the values and the “lin pot” it’s literally doubling the treb in comparison to most amps.
Well at least now I can feel confident about purchasing one and changing the pot and maybe a cap or 2.
G.
inPlexicatedMemberYes actually I remember seeing that tonestack calcualtor before but forgot the address thanks-its a cool visual aid.
By “Marshall” tonestack you mean a cathode follower design?
Strange they chose the linear instead of a log.did they want to avoid copyright infringemnet? I figured that circuit has long been public domain.
The log pot works with how our ears work right? The linear pot sounds like it should work the way it sounds “increasing signal in a linear way” and it does, but it’s the whole db thing and our perception right?
looks on paper Vs how we really experience it.
IT would seem just changing the pot type would do it.The cap values may differ giving a different sound(than the marshall) however it was smoothing the treble contour is all thats needed.What would a reverse log do?
G
inPlexicatedMemberQuote:Hey, I’m back.Check this out:
http://www.duncanamps.com/tsc/
This program is a tonestack calculator. It takes popular tone stacks and calculates the EQ curve for them.
The English Muff’n indeed uses a Marshall Tone Stack, but the values are tweaked.
Here’s the Marshall Tone Stack:
(note, treble pot is linear, bass pot is audio (reverse logarithmic), and mid pot is linear.Now here are the values for the English Muff’n (according to the schematics I found):
R1: 30.1 k
R2: 250k linear
R3: 500k log
R4: 10k log
R5: omitted
C1: 220p
C2: .1 u
c3: 22n (unchanged)Of course, remember that the intensity of the treble will also relate to your mids and bass settings.
Great! thank-you I appreciate the effort.
I’m wanting to attenuate or change the frequency centre of the treble.So I assume you are suggesting in doing so it will lessen the effect of the corresponding controls?
Why do you think EHX decided to go with the values it did knowing the treble would shear shingles off a house?
Cheers!
inPlexicatedMemberQuote:Well if only part of the range of the pot is useful to you, then you could replace the pot with a different value.Looking at a schem, I see it’s a 250k linear. I think you want to change potentiometer type to either logarithmic or reverse logarithmic. Changing the value might help as well.
I just googled the schematic and took a peak at it.
You could also mod the tone stack as a whole to be an exact copy of the Marshall tone stack (it’s very similar, but slightly different, if the schematics I’m looking at are correct.) I have to go right now, but I can describe the differences in a little bit.
Thank-you for responding yes I have the schem now.I went to freestompboxes.org as another admin suggested.There was exceptionally good info there.If you happen to know the more typical Marshall values and you care to post i thank-you in advance.
inPlexicatedMemberQuote:Quote:Buddha says: Be the change you want to see in the web forum.+1.
My apologies for the hostility. I’m having a sad day at home and I’m letting it carry into the forum.
Thank-you,I might know how you feel -right now I feel like a dump truck at an open pit mine with a delivery behind schedule.I’m trying to laugh…..
inPlexicatedMemberQuote:You might ask the guys over at freestompboxes.org. I think there’s an English Muffin thread over there already and I’m sure someone can point out several ways to improve the Tone controls.Wow the thread is the motherlode!
Now I have the schematic, some Muff’n prOn and explanations with work arounds from people who like to electrocute themselves.
Awesome! :thumb:
Thanks again!
inPlexicatedMemberQuote:Buddha says: Be the change you want to see in the web forum.So true about our attitudes, it always reminds me of comedian from the 90’s,can’t recall his name ,portly but sweet fellow.Part of his routine was about relatioships.I can’t remember it all but it was about inner dialogue.”Change? I don’t wanna change-you change!”
inPlexicatedMemberQuote:Quote:oh well I’ll just go to HC and do a review for customer support“It’s shite”
This is a user forum, not the official EHX Technical Support Representative. For full tech support, go to https://www.ehx.com/about/contact
Almost none of us here work for the company. We’re enthusiasts who love the products. Usually if someone knows the answer to a tech question, they’ll chime in of their own goodwill. But since almost none of us here are paid to be tech support, we hardly feel obligated to answer every question.
A big thanks to those who do.
Oh I see, my bad -I guess I just have a different experience at the Z-Talk forums.
Sorry didn’t mean to insult anyones efforts.
Yes there is alot to love about the products.
I’m actually upset that the 2ube is not getting attention and that no one has posted on you tube just how versatile it is.It be a shame if it was dropped for lack of appreciation.
Cheers!
inPlexicatedMemberQuote:So at this point you’ve got 7 posts, 2 of which are threads started by you. One thread gets no answers, therefore you declare the whole forum “shite” (stupid word. Just say SHIT and get it over with) and your other thread is the announcement of that.If there’s any lacking in the Technical Help forum, it’s more due to the fact that few actual EHX employees come here than anything else. I’ve been collecting EHX for over 20 years and I answer all questions that I can.
You might ask the guys over at freestompboxes.org. I think there’s an English Muffin thread over there already and I’m sure someone can point out several ways to improve the Tone controls.
I didn’t say the whole forum was ‘shite’ I was quite specific actually.” I see the “tech” section is not particularly useful” Now you come off as hostile.Way to go.
Anyways I see from another forumites response this is not an official company resource so my expectations were unrealistic.So I will just find the appropriate resource and query them.
Misunderstandings…..
I thank-you for pointing me in the direction of FSB.org that was helpful.
Peace
inPlexicatedMemberQuote:what would you like to see done differently? or are you just trolling? I mean, help the community help you, don’t just ‘it’s shite’ us.differently? It’s really not that complicated.Tech section-post question-await response-no response = :freak:
Love your moniker.Obviously I am a sufferer 😆
inPlexicatedMemberQuote:Well, its been a week and the muff’n is still running great, im kindof wondering why ehx didn’t just use a built in power cord? I understand the convienience of being able to unplug the adapter, but it really seems to run ALOT better this way. Also i would still love to hear any feedback concerning the safety of running the muff’n this way, and whether or not it could be harmful to the pedal. anyone??Convienience has little to do with it.
Most tube pedals on the market that are running true voltages employ an adapter.
It saves space so the pedal is reasonably sized and reduces internal complexity and electronic noise.
You probably have given your pedal a few more volts due to “hardwiring it”
Hmmm I wonder if then using a 12volt 1200 mA adapter would have the same effect?(compensates for loss)
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