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FluffChopMemberQuote:all BBD chips hiss, most analog delay pedals have low pass filters or noise gates to tame the white noise. the clone theory preserves your frequency response, at the expense of quiet operation – a tradeoff which many dislike.
if you just turn down the treble on your amp and switch off the pedal when you are not playing, you should not have anything to complain about.
Ah ok the clock noise and such, I’m with you. I just got my Stereo Clone Theory and I’m not getting a lot of noise. Like I would not say gee that’s noisy. I wouldn’t even think of it if it hadn’t been raised in online reviews and forums.
The thing I don’t like about it is the echoey sound it has. My Boss CH-1 is a similar sounding chorus but it’s not got that long fixed delay time. I didn’t like the Small Clone for the same reason. Looks like EHX chorus is not for me. On the other hand if you ignore the echeoy sound as part of the flavour then it’s got far too much depth that it sounds significantly out of tune unless you bring it well below the 12 o’clock point.
The jury is out on it, I really want to like it and I run the boss at full depth and mix, so that’s a sign of maybe needing more. I guess the Stereo Clone Theory is that MORE!!!!! :doh:
May 27, 2010 at 9:43 am in reply to: Please stop the power adapter follies! I guarantee we’ll EHX buy nonstop #103845FluffChopMemberQuote:ah, but those mini jack 9v inputs used to be very common, EHX, MXR, DOD, proco Rat and a number of other pedals all used them in the past, it’s only fairly recently that the Boss type has become some sort of ‘standard’ … and when you buy a one-spot you get 2 of those adapters with it, so it’s no problem anyway. When EHX make a new version I’m 100% sure it will have the boss type connector.…actually, I think Rat’s still have those old style connectors.
MXR really? I just got rid of a Dyna Comp literally 1 hour ago as it arrived the other day without a Boss style power jack. That pedal was made in 1996 and is the revision D version which is the first one of the reissued Dyna Comps since they first released them in 1976.
The originals didn’t have a power jack did they? So when did they ever use a Boss style jack in the past? Was it on the last of the real MXR pedals? Those plastic ones from the 80’s. No, they didn’t use that jack either. Hmmm, that’s not sounding “very common” to me, but you may have a different interpretation of common :poke:
I like the MP5 and MP8 daisy chains but I have never bought a one spot adapter because I think they are far too expensive. There are alternative adapters available without having to pay for them to say OneSpot on them. Plus if I did I wouldn’t use the superfluous connectors as I don’t have any 9V pedals without a standard Boss style 2.1mm -ve centre jack. 😆
FluffChopMemberQuote:you couldn’t use an inverting adapter for a nano clone (one that makes yamaha style keyboards useable via 1spots?)If I may chime in having had experience with +V ground pedals like the red colored Fuzz Face I tried to hook up to a Boss Chorus many years ago. The problem isn’t the polarity of the connection to the power. In fact I see the Nano Clone take a standard Boss style -ve centre 9V adapter. The problem is not the power connection but the fact the ground is +ve on this pedal (which is what the post about reverse polarity is refering to.)
OK FOR AN EXAMPLE TO HELP EXPLAIN:
Takeing my board I have a Voodoo Lab Micro Vibe, an EHX Octave Multiplexer (current XO version) and a an Ehx Memory Toy (my newsest baby, born to the pedal board just yesterday). I have what is called a daisy chain, a power lead with one jack to connect to a 9Vdc adpater, and then having various plugs to connect to pedals. I connect the pedals with patch leads, and then I connect the power daisy chain. In all those pedals the connection to power is -ve centre 9Vdc. The signal ground which is the sleeve of the 6.35mm input and output jacks is connected to that same -ve centre. That is known as a negative ground.
On a red Fuzz Face the ground connection of the input and output jack sleeves is actually connected to the +9V battery terminal. This is known as a +ve ground. It turns out from reading this thread that the Nano Clone chorus pedal also has a +ve ground setup, but takes the regular -ve centre power plug.
Ok are you with me so far? +((-)) is the power connection, the ground is connected to the +ve of that power connection.
In this case if you connect my pedals and a nano clone with patch leads and the daisy chain power lead, you end up with the +ve power connection of the power connected to the -ve power connection at the input and output jacks of the Nano Clone. The adjacent pedals have their jacks connected to -ve ground. That -ve ground meets a +ve ground at the jack of the Nano Clone. Right there is your problem, +ve connected to -ve of the power supply. This is called a short circuit. It’s not going to work.
FluffChopMemberQuote:I was actually just a/b’ing it with another chorus. The Clone was the only pedal in the chain at the time. The other was an old ibanez soundtank chorus that added almost no noise, which surprised the hell out of me.So it’s Maxon Japan vs the good ol’ boys at Electro-Farmtronix and you’re surprised as hell. No, do go on, I’m listening. :facepalm:
FluffChopMemberQuote:I can’t stand the nano clone. Its reverse polarity, so it can’t be daisychained unless its isolated.Oh dear that just cracks me up and has me shaking my head in disbelief at the same time. Why would they do that?
FluffChopMemberI love my Memory Toy, it’s a little sweetheart.
May 26, 2010 at 5:45 pm in reply to: Please stop the power adapter follies! I guarantee we’ll EHX buy nonstop #104324FluffChopMemberOk so he says power adapter follies, and you say here are all the ones that take Boss style. Sure ok that’s all well and good. Does the Small Clone run on a 9V battery? Yes I think it does. So does it run on a Boss style adapter? I don’t think so because it’s not in the list. That’s the real folly. It’s not that some pedal might need 58 volts or something for head room, it’s when a 9V pedal doesn’t use a Boss style 9V -ve centre 2.1mm jack.
EDIT: Right from the instruction pdf it says this.
“For optimum performance, use a 9V battery, although a 9V 100ma tippositive
AC adapter with an 1/8″ plug can also be used (not included).”The defense rests your honor. Case closed. I find MR. EHX guilty of power adapter follies.
SO that would be a no on me purchasing a Small Clone.
FluffChopMemberQuote:As far as I can tell, the SCT is just a direct reissue of the original Clone Theory with surface mount components and stereo operation. It’s the BBD chips making the hiss so I can’t see any way of getting rid of it“It’s the BBD chips making the hiss”, is that a guestimation or has there been a clinical study? If it’s the chips then why only the BBD’s in this particular circuit and not all circuits? (No I don’t think it’s the chips personally).
I’ve heard the hiss on the ProGuitarShop video. You can hear it when Andy turns on the pedal but before he plays (and during if you pay attention). I have a Stereo Clone Theory on order, which after visiting here I am kind of wishing I didn’t, or else thinking why does it hiss/how can I fix it?
FluffChopMemberI have owned both versions of the Carbon Copy. My first impressions were that it was very bright and articulate. I thought that was a good thing. When you turn up the delay knob it does get darker though. I have on order a Memory Toy so I will compare them.
FluffChopMemberI like mine for the octave sounds. LoL I’ve owned the Boss PS-5, HR-2, Digitech HarmonyMan, Eventide PitchFactor and the Octave Multiplexer is the only one I kept because nothing else does an octave sound like it does. The only thing I don’t like is it doesn’t track as well as the Digitech, it glitches and drops out below the low A. The filter controls let you tailor a very fat (phat?) bass tone from your electric guitar. I practically never use the pedal however, but it’s the best sounding octaver I’ve found. Also there is no latency. It can sound cool plugged into the Micro Q-tron for funky bass sounds. The plan is to record some lovely music and use the Octave Multiplexer to make the bass line. I also have a Godin Freeway SA and Boss GI-20 so midi synth stuff is on the cards. The thing is I never get around to doing anything, but hey I enjoy buying and selling pedals on eBay. That’s like a whole other hobby, or an extension of the guitar hobby. It’s all one big melting pot of fun and sounds. On the way are a Memory Toy and Stereo Clone Theory.
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