youre a bass player, right? maybe the pog2 has different issues for guitar and bass. what youre saying about the amps colloring things up is absolutely true, but also, like you said, very predictable. my main issue is that the overall volume is too loud/quiet (not a specific octave), and i think here bass player might have a different look at this. what i mean is that while using it with a guitar and, eg, a distortion, some harmonics will definitely be very high, but thats ok, my only problem is that it responds quite differently than other pedals. not only those harmonics will be high (wich is something desirable if you turned the distortion on), the pog2 will be entirely very high or low, and thats not only because its very difficult to predict the pog2 behaviour when combined with other pedals, but also because of the way its settings works. you need to stabilish each setting for the octave, in a way that should you want to keep that setting but at a different volume (for example, -2:60% / -1:30% / +1:80% / +2:50% ; if you want this setting a bit quieter (say 10%), the only way is turning the amp down, which involves much running back and forth, or turning each of the levels 10% down, an impossible task playing live). my problems with the pog2 arent just a +2 or -1 that got off hand, but taming the whole volume of the beast.

as for solutions, the only one i find is to program everything i will use a little bit quieter (and pumping the volume up if needed with some sort of boost), but this sucks cause youre limited to the 7 (8?) presets and cause itd be so much more simple to have a booster integrated so you could turn the whole volume up or down with a ‘master’ leveler. and this is cheap, im making myself a booster with a pot exactly for this purpose, like an active volume pedal. thats why i think ehx should provide for this, cause its simple, possible and would make the pog2 much much more user friendly – as a matter of fact, all reviews i read rating down the pog2 were due to its uncontrollability.

currently im using the second solution you mentioned, putting a compressor right after the pog2 and controlling the sound there, but this isnt very good because im using a compressor just for the pog2 (not for myself) and because i didnt want to compress the sound (i hate compressors, the squashing sound, i dont even have one, im using the zvex ILFJ that by chance (sort of) has a compressing setting but not dedicated). i think even with buffered bypass (boss) after the pog, wich would totally kill the tone, the volume would still be high. btw, i gave up a long time ago of using fuzz before the pog2, its completely unpredictable. ive got 2 big muffs after it and what ocurred to me now is maybe using one of them without sustain and w/ max tone to try to control the volume through its knob. or maybe ill finally get myself a compressor to use as a limiter, problem is i didnt wnat to spend the dough just for this.. gotta think..
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im pretty sure thats normal.. if you set the rate till 11 o’clock with high depth it engages into a ‘filter matrix’ like function, so you get these wild sounds. search for this on youtube or here in electric mistress section, youll findo more about this ‘filter matrix’ thing

that’s an awesome thread, great info on the muffs! congrats for the website aswell. the only question that remained with me is why do electro-h say “it’s the same big muff”? cause that’s obvious false advertising.. i checked in a store the sounds of the little big muff in comparison to the nyc big muff, and they are very different. the first is much more wild and strong, the second being a little mild as if a compressor had been turned on. truth is, i hate the little BM, while i love the nyc one. i’m in doubt about buying the tone wicker.. but my question is: can anyone tell the difference technically, that is, regarding the circuits and some more objective differences?
thanks in advance for any tries
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