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dreamyguyMemberQuote:hmm. i havent been able to play or own one yet but from what i thought, i was thinking it would be as simple as dry and +1 about level
That’s exactly what I assumed before getting it, but now I do have it and can tell it’s not that simple.
There’s something about a tad of sub-octave to give more “body” and something about the detuning as well. Some even say the Q can help. I was fiddling a bit more today, after writing this post, and got an acceptable sound, but still think the highs are too pronounced. Assume there are 9 levels (since there are 9 lines), even though the sliders don’t go all the way to 9:
dry: 7
-1 octave: 1.5
+1 octave: 6
Q: off
lp-filter: 9 [edited]
detune: 3.5
(the rest would be at 0)I played on a semi-hollow (Gibson ES-335 with both pickups, all pots at 7).
I’d still like to hear what your settings are – those who played or own it…
Cheers,
WallaceFebruary 8, 2010 at 7:56 pm in reply to: Electro-Harmonix Effectology, Vol.11 Crystal-Shimmer Effects #107272dreamyguyMemberQuote:Thanks Wallace!
I love the Boss FV-500 volume pedal.
Its built like a tank!
There are two models so pick the one best for you.
The FV-500H is a high impedance unit, best for use with you guitar before the amp.
The FV-500L is a low impedance unit and is better if used in a effect loop or with the outputs of a keyboard instument. The 500L is also a stereo unit.
Both pedals have an expression jack output so they can double as an expression pedal for many of the EHX effects.My guesss is you would need the high impedance unit.
I feel the FV-500 is one of the best volume pedals on the market.
I also feel a volume pedal is a MUST have item for any guitarist interested in effects.
Good luck and thanks for writing!
BillHi again Bill,
Thanks a lot for the feedback, really appreciate it.
I thought of using the volume pedal after all my pedals, just before the delay and reverb. I have only one amp right now – but would like to record in stereo – so what I thought of doing was to run things a bit differently:
(tuner) > soul preacher > wah > PREAMP (line out) > pog2 > big muff > small stone > stereo electric mistress (stereo path starts here) > stereo volume pedal > mm hazarai > mm hazarai > cathedral > L/R audio interface > computer
My first post in this forum was actually to ask if this was possible, and the feedback I got said it was (I hope it is). Even if the stereo chain won’t be there on a live situation, the volume pedal would pretty much remain where it is in the chain above, in the effects loop.
So I guess I would need a passive/low impedance stereo volume pedal…(?)
BTW, all the pedals I mentioned are still shipping to Norway, somewhere in between…
Cheers,
WallaceFebruary 7, 2010 at 11:12 pm in reply to: Electro-Harmonix Effectology, Vol.11 Crystal-Shimmer Effects #107218dreamyguyMemberHi Bill, great series, I’m totally stunned…
I’m looking for a volume pedal now, something decent in stereo. I see that you have used a pic from the stereo Boss pedal in all your effectology videos (in those you used a volume pedal).
I have only true-bypass pedals and I’d rather keep it that way. I assume nearly all Boss pedals – if not all – are not true-bypass, but since this volume pedal is passive I guess it would not affect the tone (as long as I don’t use long cables either way from the pedal).
I’m not asking if you would endorse the Boss volume pedal, but merely if you, as a guitar player would recommend one to someone who would rather not use non-bypass pedals. They seem to have a great value and are therefore a strong candidate to my board.
Would really appreciate your honest opinion – even though we are on the EHX forum…
Cheers,
WallacedreamyguyMemberQuote:Quote:you could always run 2x.22 calibers into a 4×12 cab in stereo.Holy crap. That never crossed my mind. Sweet.
That would make most sense to me. I’m still thinking if I should have a caliber on one channel just to have true stereo….
…AND, if we’re going to follow the caliber thing, the next thing would be 32 or 44…
dreamyguyMemberQuote:Quote:Quote:(…) the Korg Pitchblack is a bit smaller and has true bypass (…)Not quite: http://www.stinkfoot.se/andreas/diy/articles/tuners.htm
???
the Pitchblack IS true-bypass… and is stated as such in the article you linked to…
???
Oops… I don’t know how, but I managed to assume you were mentioning the “Peterson StroboStomp”, which is the pedal everyone screams is true bypass.
My bad!
dreamyguyMemberCHOIR, human choirs!!!!
Put that together with the pipe organ sound made with the POG2, the “cathedralistic” reverb with the Cathedral and fallen angels may rise from hell to heaven… (I’d be the first).
dreamyguyMemberQuote:(…) the Korg Pitchblack is a bit smaller and has true bypass (…)Not quite: http://www.stinkfoot.se/andreas/diy/articles/tuners.htm
Since getting my batch of EHX pedals I’ve been looking for bypass tuners for weeks. This TC Electronix made my day, I see it’s quite new. It would have been nice to have a EHX tuner, but I also think it’s nice to have some competition, it keeps EHX sharp!
Cheers
dreamyguyMember…for instance…
We have been getting the same effects for decades, some of them being Phaser, Flanger, Chorus, Delay, Reverb, etc. Almost everything we get these days are derivatives or combinations of these effects, which were “created” (I’d rather say discovered) many, many years ago.
Why is it that no one come with a totally different effect? Something called “Tugger” for a change…
dreamyguyMemberQuote:dreamguy…nice post….I would humbly disagree with the notion that once you get a digital pedal righ then it will be the same even 5 years later…I belive that as we move into 64bits (and what not) eventually we can really get a amp sound with software….
Hi st.bebe, I think I didn’t make myself as clear as I could have, because you misunderstood me. I wrote:
Quote:Not to mention that, in the case of a digital pedal, if you put a lot of effort to get one right, you’ll get 100.000 just as right (that was actually mentioned on the interview as well). That means you buy a Cathedral now and another in 20 years, they will both sound exactly the same (in the same rig) and I think that’s a very good thing.What I meant was that if you buy a first generation Cathedral now and run it through a particular rig, it will give you a sound. Then if you buy another first generation Cathedral after 20 years – and run it through exactly the same rig you did 20 years ago – it will give you the exact same sound.
That would not be the case with an analog pedal (regardless of when you play it), because the sound of an analog pedal is much more organic since every component has its own tolerance/impedance/resistance, etc. Another fact that is little known is that the pots can interfere a lot with the tone and it is vital to select the right pods when producing analog pedals.
Manufacturers nowadays try to minimize the difference of tone from one pedal to another, by choosing components that have the same tolerance/impedance/resistance (I really forgot the term that defines the thing in a single word…). They keep it around 1% these days, but there where times they used 5% or even 15% on purpose, just to give each pedal a very distinct sound, even though they shared the same name.
I believe we are going to see very exciting gear in the coming years, technology has gone wild in the last 15 years. But I still think the guitar gear industry is somewhat stuck, very conservative in my opinion. If there was a bigger market for guitar gear we would have seen gear “out-of-this-world” already a few years back.
Cheers
dreamyguyMemberI’m following EHX closely lately, and that’s the reason behind me going nuts wanting to get almost their whole line-up. Can’t afford it, so I’m keeping it down to five for the time being.
I’ve read an extensive interview with EHX somewhere the other day (don’t remember where), an extensive interview that even went into the technicalities of sound engineering I don’t have much clue about, but it was very enlightening…
This issue with analog-digital was also addressed in this interview, extensively. I understood that EHX is as committed to analog pedals as it has ever been since its humble beginnings. But they made it clear that some of the components that used to be vital and widely used in vintage pedals are not easy to get anymore, in fact some of them have been completely replaced by newer and more efficient components – which were never designed exclusively for guitar pedals anyway. Some of these components became redundant as they were combined/integrated with others to do their job more efficiently (i.e. making slim flat screens possible). Unfortunately for us guitarists, the world has been spinning to fast and those invaluable pieces of electronics are gone forever.
So this is a sign that even though analog pedals will always exist, their circuitries are not going to be necessarily vintage or close to the ones our guitar heroes used to use.
I do feel a tendency towards digital pedals in the industry. After all, modernization takes over and that’s a good thing. It makes me think of photography. Every professional photographer knows that analog photography is still far superior to digital photography. But in digital photography convenience meets technology and more affordable prices in the long run, so every professional photographer has converted to digital. Limitations in pixel resolution are still there (which we could compare it to audio sample converters in the context of this thread), but the flexibility digital photography gives by not depending on films and easy data transfer is incomparable to that of the analog.
Not to mention that, in the case of a digital pedal, if you put a lot of effort to get one right, you’ll get 100.000 just as right (that was actually mentioned on the interview as well). That means you buy a Cathedral now and another in 20 years, they will both sound exactly the same (in the same rig) and I think that’s a very good thing.
My 2 cents.
January 6, 2010 at 7:07 pm in reply to: Using stereo pedals with one amp – possible on studio? #106148dreamyguyMemberQuote:Quote:Just a quick observation…The Blackstar HT-5 has a balanced line-out which I have already used to record in mono. So I’m thinking that maybe it’s possible to split the signal of this line-out (with a normal mono-to-stereo splitter) and get this split signal to go through the pedals’ L/R inputs. Then directly to the interface L/R. It seems to make sense, but I can’t test it yet since I haven’t got the pedals…
Does it sound doable?
Yes, except you don’t need a stereo splitter, because your stereo electric mistress doesn’t need a stereo input, it takes a mono input and makes it stereo. The only stereo pedals that have stereo inputs are delays, reverbs, and pan pedals.
That’s great news!
Quote:The downside to using your line-out is that you don’t get the sound of your power amp or speakers in the mix, only your pre-amp. If that bothers you (you’d have to try it out and see if you like it) then you’d want to put your stereo pedals after your microphone.Oh, and as said, the POG2 is not stereo.
Yes, that’s a pity… I think I’ll have to make do with the line-out while I compose, since I live in a flat in the middle of town and it’s impossible for me to do a decent recording with a mic. When I’m ready to do the final takes I’ll find a way to get lost in a hut in the woods for a weekend and record what I need. Then I’ll put my Celestion V30 to good use!
Hm… effects after the mic would probably mean using a mixer and having the effects on the mixer’s fx-loop then, I suppose.
I think that’s all folks, thanks for all your help, I have a much better idea of what to do now. Can barely wait to get my hands on these great tone pieces!!!
Cheers,
WallaceJanuary 6, 2010 at 3:55 pm in reply to: Using stereo pedals with one amp – possible on studio? #106137dreamyguyMemberQuote:pog2 isnt stereo. and you should specify by saying stereo electric mistressOops, you got me there… I guess I assumed it was since the size was similar to the others.
So the POG2 would still come before the others then, not changing much on the diagram I made.
Well, I did say the Electric Mistress was stereo in my first post, but yes, will remember putting at least a “S.” before it next time. Cheers!
January 6, 2010 at 3:49 pm in reply to: Using stereo pedals with one amp – possible on studio? #106135dreamyguyMemberJust a quick observation…
The Blackstar HT-5 has a balanced line-out which I have already used to record in mono. So I’m thinking that maybe it’s possible to split the signal of this line-out (with a normal mono-to-stereo splitter) and get this split signal to go through the pedals’ L/R inputs. Then directly to the interface L/R. It seems to make sense, but I can’t test it yet since I haven’t got the pedals…
Does it sound doable?
January 6, 2010 at 3:39 pm in reply to: Using stereo pedals with one amp – possible on studio? #106132dreamyguyMemberHm.. so let me see if I’m chewing all this info right…
For the sake of clarity, I’d like to be able to get a stereo signal since I’m getting 3 stereo-enabled pedals (which haven’t arrived yet btw). I want my amp (Blackstar HT-5) to come into this signal from somewhere, preferably having all the stereo pedals coming after the preamp. But since I don’t have a stereo fx-loop in the amp, I still have to find a way of getting the signal to split in true stereo.
I thought of doing something like this:
Guitar > Soul Preacher (comp) > Preamp (or Amp, for that matter) > Small Stone (phaser)* > mono/stereo signal splitter >
Pog (L) > E. Mistress (L) > Cathedral (L) > [???] > Audio Interface (L)
Pog (R) > E. Mistress (R) > Cathedral (R) > [???] > Audio Interface (R)The “[???]” is the part I’m confused about. I don’t have a mixer. Do I need one? Can’t I just connect everything in that order and skip the “[???]” part? Wouldn’t that work?
I’d rather have the effects already set while I’m recording, so that the signal already comes with the effects, rather than adding the effects later. I don’t think the later option would be possible anyway, since the effects will add so much dimension to the signal that it will affect my playing/composing. I can’t compose something meant to have all those octaves from POG and reverbs from Cathedral by playing it clean – I wouldn’t know what to play. Does it make sense?
Thanks for all your input so far guys, really appreciated!
Cheers,
WallaceJanuary 5, 2010 at 7:20 pm in reply to: Using stereo pedals with one amp – possible on studio? #106101dreamyguyMemberQuote:I see no problem running in Stereo to the L/R recording interface. I do not typically run a stereo setup but when I do I have a Memory Man with Hazarai running into two inputs of my 10 input mixer so I can pan them wherever I want, or run straight to my M Audio breakout box to my computer. I would run from your guitar to the Pog to the Mistress to the Cathedral but that’s all a matter of preference.So you mean these stomp-boxes would be between the amp and the interface and still deliver? I assumed pedals had to be either before the amp or in the amp’s fx-loop to be heard right… But again, these will be my first stomp-boxes and therefore I have no experience to draw conclusions from.
If I understood it right, that means it would be ok to have these pedals between the amp and the cabinet..?
Anyway, what I need to confirm is the stereo setup…
Cheers and thanks for the reply!
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