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DJo_666MemberQuote:Quote:You’re talking around my point
Rack systems are allways digital, so it rules out analog magic. Plus in every rack system there are a few great effects, and some crap/worse. With individual pedals you have way more choice in effects (as in you can choose the best pedal per effect).
I agree! I wasn’t suggesting a rack ‘system’ or multi fx (heaven forbid!!) I was just saying that for loop use rack delay/reverbs usually work better than pedals. That’s my point.
my ‘point’ was to DJo_666 really who seems to be upset that his pedal doesn’t like being in the loop…… and I just don’t think you can expect pedals to work in a line level loop unless it is explicitly stated that it was designed to be used that way. If they do, great…but it shouldn’t be taken as a given imo.
….anyway carry on.
I agree completely. I always assumed that delay devices of any kind would work in the loop, since that’s where so many people use them. I’ve since started checking input specs and testing pedals that I plan to put there.
I’m not convinced that multi-effects are only for beginners and those who don’t know what they want. So many professional musicians use them, and I’ve found that in the last 3-4 years the quality has improved radically. I haven’t liked the tone quality of the POD gear, but the GT-8 and GT-10 from BOSS are top notch and I suspect that the G-System measures up also. I just find that I don’t want ten parameters in my phaser (for example), and I’d rather get a pedal that I love even (or especially) if it only has one or two controls.
DJo_666MemberI’ve had nearly every piece of gear under the sun; racks and pedals. Some effects seem to work better (my opinion) in the loop, namely anything that would react differently if the preamp channel were changed. Delay is a clasic example – set it up to sound good clean and it sounds completely different on the lead channel. Rack/pedal is irrelevant; some effects need to be after the preamp and some before (my opinion).
One great solution was the GT-8 and GT-10 from BOSS. They have an insertable loop for an external preamp and all effects can be routed in any order. That way I could put delay (etc.) after the preamp and stick with a single programmable box. Other rack gear lacks the insert and/or effect routing flexibility (G_Major, G_System, etc.). The quality of the effects and other issues (signal levels, among others) pushed me back to pedals, so I need some pedals to work in the loop.
Not a big deal, and something that manufacturers need to consider.
BTW, this becomes a much bigger deal on multi-channel amps. If I used (e.g.) a Marshall Vintage Modern with a single channel, and used only pedals for gain, then this wouldn’t be such an issue because I could run the delay between the gain pedals and the amp. I use a Peavey JSX with 3 channels with totally differnt gain structures, and some effects MUST (my opinion) be after the preamp so that I can switch channels without having to adjust a bunch of effect parameters.
DJo_666MemberI don’t know why this problem with delays isn’t more widely acknowledged. I suppose it’s expensive to make a pedal run at both line and instrument level (although TC put this feature into a pedal with a pile of other great features for around $180). The Hardwire delay runs both line and instrument with a single input, but I question the effectiveness of an input that accepts such a wide range of signals. I think the dual inputs on the Nova Repeater are the best way to go!
DJo_666Membertc nova is like a non-programmable version of their top delay pedal. It’s pretty cheap and it has a lot of great features. I like a simple clean delay so most of the features are worthless to me, but here are the best ones that are a major improvement over any other pedal:
– Two inputs; one for instument level for those running it in front of an amp, and one for line level for those running it in the effect loop. Personally I can’t understand why anyone would run a delay in front of an amp since the delay will sound totally different depending on the amp channel, which leaves me wonedering why nearly every delay box cannot handle the signal level in the loop. This is the feature that sells the pedal, IMHO.
– Adjusting the delay level does not affect the dry level (see my issue with the #1 echo). The exception is if the delay level is at 100% – then the dry signal is killed and only the repeats are heard (good for reverse and other effects).
– Tempo is switchable between 1/4 notes and other tempos, including some double delays with interesting timing. This is pretty neat but I likely won’t use it much.
Anyway, for people who like the #1 echo, more power to you. I’m moving on though.
DJo_666MemberI’m surprised you write that you don’t always perceive the volume drop. The blend control on the #1 echo reduces the dry volume as it is turned up, while increasing the volume of the repeats. Which pedals you use with it will be irrelevant, that is unless you put your delay before some kind of distortion or compression (which would be a very bad idea).
This pedal will be sold in short order so I can get the new TCelectronics Nova Repeater. That pedal solves every problem with this (and other) delay pedals.
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