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it makes sense that robotically produced pop music would appeal to robots
edit: this was funnier when the person above me liked Lady Gaga
CryabetesParticipanti’m pretty confident I know what I’m doing on my synth. Not saying I never use harmonics [one of my favorite patches is a really harmonic-laden synth string that sounds like my bloody valentine when I move the pitch bar] but yeah, aside from an ADSR envelope, the bass patch I use is a sinewave. with enough gain to clip out my mixer so I suppose that’s probably acting as a bit of a limiter. but yeah.
CryabetesParticipantright, i’m saying guitar amps tend to have a midrange hump that buries the real low end, and that the typical guitar pre-amp will roll off stuff below 40-50 hz. synth bass [the patches I use anyway] has very few harmonics/is a very pure sine wave so playing through a typical guitar amp is less than ideal for me.
Also guitars have lots of harmonics in their signal. A guitar’s low E on the audio spectrum will have peaks at the E’s a few octaves above it and at the B’s on some as well. My synth bass doesn’t. It’s quite simply a sine wave and getting that to the same level as… pretty much any instrument that isn’t sine waves takes some gain.CryabetesParticipantI’m talking in general. I used one briefly at a show, but that was with a keyboard rig. I didn’t notice any sort of low-end cut that I generally get with using a ‘guitar’ amp, so I figured it was more a general purpose PA than anything specifically tailored to an instrument.
And Ghost uses some pretty nice gear inbetween his signal source and his output source.
but yeah, this is just an EHX forum-goer opinion, not anything verbatim.CryabetesParticipantQuote:Dear Cry,
Thanks for the reply. You could be right but let’s examine a couple of aspects just for fun. While your assumption about the use as a monitor amp is a great idea, the 44 seems to have no clarity–no high frequency extension, so articulation of vocals is unlikely. I’ll plug in a tube mic preamp and see. Good thought though.oh I meant as in ‘monitor of your guitar signal’ so you can hear if your tap tempos are in time or whatever. I suppose it’d work with whatever you throw at it though.
Quote:Now to the overall tone issue. First of all, you are simply incorrect when you say it’s only a power amp. If it had no preamp, you’d get very little sound. Try plugging a guitar into a real true power amp. It cannot work. The signal coming off the pickups is at microphone level–thousands of a volt. A power amp might need 1.5 volts to start cookin’ hard–that could be a thousand times more. It has a preamp; see the bright switch? While the preamp is really as simple as it can possbly be (just a voltage boost and a cheap high boost–or more likely, a high cut if “bright” in actually normal), the overal sound should be far better and it can be. There’s nothing inherent in spectral balance issues with class-D amps, just smoothness sometimes but not a complete lack of character and transparency.yeah, an impedance matcher as a preamp, basically. Ever just DI a guitar into a mixer and check the sound with headphones, no eq-ing? It’s going to be the same idea here.
Quote:Finally, I was astounded at your statement about the tone coming from the amp (or preamp). While the amplifier makes a giant difference, you must start with a given. Tell me, Cry, does a Fender guitar sound like a Gretch or a Gibson? How about pedals and amps that completely obscure the original tone? They do exist because they are so colored they can’t get you your sound (if that’s what you prefer). I assure you sir, my 60’s Gibsons sound different from my newer Les Pauls. In fact, every Les Paul, semi-solid Gibson and Epiphone (and D’Angelico) I own sound a little different from each other and all my amps–practice or gigging–show the difference, The 44 cannot. Guitarists use the words “tone woods” because even different woods sound, uh, different. Different pieces of mahogany sound different from each other. A good amp reveals and enhances the difference while adding it’s own color. I love great amps. I detest toneless amps designed from day one as promotional products that appear to be good deals at the guitar megamart.On an electric guitar, the aspects that contribute to the initial signal – the strings vibrating from being plucked/strummed/ground into the fretboard/etc are going to be anything the strings make contact with- the fretboard, the neck/body, the saddles/nut/tuners, etc. the pickups are going to apply a sonic signature to that sound and there’ll be massive differences from pickup to pickup, especially among handwounds like your vintage gibsons. It’s a different spec, but it’s an electrical component, like choosing a different capacitor for your fuzz pedal. And a good preamp works well with certain components. The actual amplification piece, the response is going to be best seen when you’re pushing signal hard enough to see the amp’s EQ curve.
Basically, when you have a guitar into an amplifier setup, you have several parts; Here’s my breakdown of it [and feel free to imagine there being more than I put here for EACH and every solder joint, and effects loop]:
Guitar strings -> guitar pickups -> on-guitar electronics [vol/tone] -> cable -> Amplifier’s pre-amp section -> amplifier’s power amp section -> speaker-> space between speaker and your ears -> your earsBetween every part of that, there’s an opportunity for signal loss and EQ-putzing due to differing components. I classify everything between the power-amp section and the on-guitar electronics as a pre-amp. That means pedals, amp’s pre-amp section, everything that basically has a higher than 32ohms input inpedance. Also, while this means it might add something undesirable, it also means you have the opportunity to correct it in the signal path as well. Consider it somewhat akin to the difference between mixing and mastering.
Quote:Once again, thanks for the reply and the insight.no problem, thanks for stopping by! Hope you have enough material for your article.
CryabetesParticipantEhx really doesn’t read much if any of the forums.
and the tiny-amplifier-on-giant-board thing could be maybe a personal monitor if the venue just provides a ‘front of house’ monitor setup or they don’t want to have to get an amp and a roadcase just be told to turn their 200 watt Sunn Concertlead down because it’ll just be mic’d anyways.Also bear in mind it’s just a power amp. ever plug JUST an electric guitar into a PA? it sounds flat. Amps provide [natural] compression/maximization and overdrive. Try running an amp sim or an enhancer or a sonic maximizer or even a dirt pedal with the tone up and the fuzz/gain low with it and see if you like it better. It’s more of a pick-your-own-preamp type idea. All that ‘real tone of the guitar’ stuff? no that’s the real tone of the amplifier. Sorry. As a synth player, that whole attitude bugs me- yeah, there’s a bit of your tone coming from your guitar, your playing style, but the bulk of it is in your preamp(s).
and lastly, you aren’t supposed to use it with 4-ohm cabs. just throwing that out there.
CryabetesParticipantdid you check the battery? is the adapter 9v DC with negative tip?
CryabetesParticipantmost of the price probably comes from the germanium transistors, not the rest of the pedal.
CryabetesParticipantmaybe an app you can trigger while you’re in a call to mess with your voice. #1 iEcho? Big Muff i? iFilter?
CryabetesParticipantQuote:(my peavy effect will be with me until I die, so I could leave it to you after)😆 yeah sure man, definitely.
CryabetesParticipantafter the dd3
CryabetesParticipantholy smokes did a bot just make an on-topic post?
CryabetesParticipantdo you have a compressor/limiter in your chain at all? or does your amp have one built in, that it’s attenuating something that is ‘high gain’?
CryabetesParticipantbest bet would be to contact them directly
although let us know what you find out. I’m curious anyway.CryabetesParticipantfrom how I understand the killswitch’s operation, that would indeed work.
also nice use of the Bass Synth Wah, I have yet to find a good setting on mine yet, especially with the outputs set up the way they are. -
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