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There’s a couple pedals with xlr [mic] in, as well as a couple multieffects boxes that offer delays on them [do a google search for ‘vocal pedal’, there’s a boss and some digitechs and a couple electroharmonics and a whole line from TC Helicon]. Still, it’s generally more versatile [and typically cheaper] to get a mixer and general stomp boxes and do it that way.
Basically, a decent enough mixer will have a couple things: 1- inserts, and 2- effects sends. I use the Behringer 1002, which is barely over $100USD. You can also use a smaller mixer that just has panning [and I’ll get to that in a second] but for now, effects sends and inserts.
An effects send is kind of like an assignable output. You have knobs on each channel of the mixer that control the volume to that output. so you run a cable from the fx send output on the mixer into the input of the effect [the delay, in this case] and then run that back into an open channel on the mixer [be sure that channel doesn’t have its effects send knob turned up or you’ll run into feedback]. The effects send signal generally is routed to the fx send out jack AFTER applying EQ, gain, etc, so if you have the mic channel’s fader all the way down, you won’t get any delay signal.
an insert is typically a tip-ring-sleeve jack [like a 1/4″ headphone jack] that works per channel [so if you don’t want to send multiple things through the delay, i’d recommend this]. It takes the input and sends it through the tip jack, you run that into whatever effects you want, and then send the output into the ring jack and then your Mic channel includes the effect in it for level/eq etc. The downside to this method is you’ll have less control of the level being sent to the effects pedal. You’ll want to pick up a cable like this for it: [img]http://i.tfcdn.com/images/agDT-LjQaxrDNIZUX0aG3NLizOTEnPjMvOKSotLc1LySYoaMkpICK339zNzE9FRDA72kzKqixJJUXTC_WC85P1e_KLU4syrVPjczxdbYyNDEQK240NbEwECtFChgZGRoYGpqamFqzsAAAA**?m=1&g=1[/img]
You can also do it with a smaller mixer like the Behringer 502 if you want to do it really cheap. set up channel one as the mic and pan it entirely left. run the Left output into the effects, and run the effects out into channel two or three and pan that entirely RIGHT. you can then blend in the effect by changing channel 1’s panning [the further right, the more dry signal]
As far as a ‘long’ delay goes, that’d probably more than 330ms, right? A digital delay might be more effective, especially considering EQ crunching that analog delays provide.
CryabetesParticipantthe duo i’m in, we use a Boss RE-20 for vocal delay live. We run it out of the effects send on one of the mixers I have [although I play keys so it’s not too hard to tweak stuff on the fly]. Something with either midi synchronization or tap tempo works best. Probably wouldn’t be too bad to run it out of an insert on the mixer though.
CryabetesParticipantconsider it the noisiest compressor you’ve ever considered using in your life and call it good.
CryabetesParticipantwhat’s the difference?
as far as i’m concerned, they’re different approaches to the same goal. Also, it really depends which big muff you’re talking about. I’d say the G4BMP is closer to an overdrive than either.CryabetesParticipantThe Cathedral is amazing. Apparently that new TC Electronics Hall of Fame is pretty great too. Otherwise the EHX Holy Grail is great as is the EHX Holy Stain. As far as used goes, I’d keep your eyes peeled for an Alesis Microverb [a rack unit which you can use a tip-sleeve footswitch on] or a Boss RV-3 [the RV-5 is really only usable on the Gate and Mod ‘Verb settings, everything else sounds hospital-grade].
Also apparently the new Muza FD900 [delay + verb] fixed a lot of the issues that plagued the FD90’s. Might be the way to go if you’re looking for cheap.
The Phase 90 and Small Stone are both 4-stage phasers so they’re going to sound similar, but the small stone has the feedback switch, which provides a more pronounced phasing effect [by sending the effected signal back into itself].
CryabetesParticipantyou mean modifications you can do to the circuit or modulation sections?
CryabetesParticipantyou can. that’s what the filter knob is for. and I’d recommend the SMMwH, the mod echo will really give the old tape echo vibe.
CryabetesParticipantwell, you’ve got a lot of options for the amp-like overdrive. On the less expensive side, there’s the Muff OD and the Germanium OD, as well as the G4 Big Muff and the Hot Tubes. Actually the G4 OD could probably nail your distortion and OD needs. the Flanger, I’d look into the Deluxe Electric Mistress and the mod for the Holy Stain [which would also give you your tremolo], although the Pulsar is really quite nice for tremolo as well.
Some other interesting options for modulation would be the ‘flerb’ setting for the Holy Grail, as well as the Memory Toy/Boy, the Tube Zipper, the Flanger Hoax, and the Ring Thing. For non-ehx stuff, maybe look into the Moogerfooger MuRF, the Boss PS-3 or PS-6 [the best chorus i’ve ever heard came from a PS-6], or the Alesis MODFX line [can usually find these for under $50 on ebay].
edit: 333 posts? I’m half metal!
CryabetesParticipantQuote:Hey Cryabetes.. Any idea why my Black Russian BMP sounds better thru my SMMwH, when I have the blend all the way CCW(dry)? I noticed it at the last rehearsal, but forgot about it until I read yer reply above.TGM
could be something like the AD/DA converters are acting as a slight filter/compressor. or you’re clipping out the AD/DA converters and [if they’re anything like the 2880’s input clipping] it sounds better because of it.
that’s all that really comes to mind.do you run the BMP so it’s louder than ‘clean’?
CryabetesParticipantHi
welcome
what sort of sound are you looking for? I’d recommend starting with a few flavors of distortion and modulation, as well as all the delays you can get your hands on.CryabetesParticipantQuote:I don’t know what i can suggest on that case maybe you could do better thingslol the spambots have started trolling
CryabetesParticipantSMMwH is more flexible, but the DMB is pretty great too. depends what you’ll be playing.
CryabetesParticipantshort version: everything sounds better through a small clone
tl;dr version: a chorus is a form of detuning, in the small clone’s case it’s along an LFO. the detuning would afford for some phase cancellation (a “comb filter”)- which would probably lessen the harshness of things in the higher registers [ie, the red-LED clipping frequencies]. It’s like a mildly uncontrollable albeit helpful EQ section on the distortion.
CryabetesParticipantboth will work. otherwise just use an LPB-1 after the tuner and leave it on all the time.
CryabetesParticipantI wasn’t aware there were much of any permutations to the Small Clone circuit, just irregularities
the big muff, you can find that on Kit Rae’s page here http://www.kitrae.net/music/music_big_muff.html
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