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  • in reply to: Sax Fuzz or Distortion #110957
    bluehevy75
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    This is also my first posting here.:-)
    I want to add that a microphone has a different impedance than a guitar. A lo to high impedance transformer (I use a Audix T50k) must be used. This is not only because of the level it’s also because of the sound.
    My expiriences have shown that a microphone + effects is not useful in loud conditions because of feedback. I’m using a transducer. The same construction wich was used 30 years ago. You see sometimes saxes of this periode with the transducer mount on the neck.
    Good news is that my transducer matches the impedance of guitar effects. Bad news is, that it is really hard to find one of the old transducers. The transducers produced today are crap or way to expensive.
    Would be fun if EHX or other companys would discover sax players (pickup systems)!
    By the way..the QTron+ was the only auto-wah that worked for me ;-).

    have fun

    Thanks for the reply. We also are using what I think are transducers. We have been using telex brand: http://www.intercomheadsets.com/category.php?cid=56. I don’t remember what value we are using but we drilled a hole in the mouthpiece and shove it right in. It works much better than a mic. What transducer do you use?

    in reply to: Sax Fuzz or Distortion #107974
    bluehevy75
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    SUCCESS!!!!
    Last night we played around with pre-amps, compression, mixers, pickups vs. mics etc…some stuff sounded good but nothing triggered the distortion.
    What finally did it was running a Flange and (or) the Q-Tron before the distortion.–Thanks Julian. If anyone has any ideas why these kind of effect triggered the fuzz I’d love to hear it so we can try other stuff.
    We will need to some work to keep the feedback from going crazy but it was difinetly working, usable, and sounding exactly like we hoped it would.
    Thanks for all or your time peeps.

    A square wave is a signal full of harmonics, a sine wave is one devoid of harmonics.

    Distortion adds harmonics, making a signal closer to a square wave. (additive synthesis)

    Filtering removes harmonics, making a signal closer to a sine wave. (subtractive synthesis)

    A saxophone is already very close to a square wave, so I didn’t think distortion would effect it very much. So if you make it less like a square wave, the distortion will have a better effect on it.

    Or wait…maybe I need the opposite of a square wave shaper….maybe I need a filter…is there something like that….just a simple filter…no envelope no flange etc…???

    in reply to: Sax Fuzz or Distortion #107972
    bluehevy75
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    SUCCESS!!!!
    Last night we played around with pre-amps, compression, mixers, pickups vs. mics etc…some stuff sounded good but nothing triggered the distortion.
    What finally did it was running a Flange and (or) the Q-Tron before the distortion.–Thanks Julian. If anyone has any ideas why these kind of effect triggered the fuzz I’d love to hear it so we can try other stuff.
    We will need to some work to keep the feedback from going crazy but it was difinetly working, usable, and sounding exactly like we hoped it would.
    Thanks for all or your time peeps.

    A square wave is a signal full of harmonics, a sine wave is one devoid of harmonics.

    Distortion adds harmonics, making a signal closer to a square wave. (additive synthesis)

    Filtering removes harmonics, making a signal closer to a sine wave. (subtractive synthesis)

    A saxophone is already very close to a square wave, so I didn’t think distortion would effect it very much. So if you make it less like a square wave, the distortion will have a better effect on it.

    That makes perfect sense. Thanks so much. I found plans for a Simple Square Wave Shaper pedal I think I will make.

    in reply to: Sax Fuzz or Distortion #107969
    bluehevy75
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    Good to hear! Was the flanger and qtron on when it worked? or just by adding them to the chain was enough? Maybe it had to do with impedances, idk really.

    They had to be on. Julian comment is right on.

    in reply to: Sax Fuzz or Distortion #107958
    bluehevy75
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    SUCCESS!!!!
    Last night we played around with pre-amps, compression, mixers, pickups vs. mics etc…some stuff sounded good but nothing triggered the distortion.
    What finally did it was running a Flange and (or) the Q-Tron before the distortion.–Thanks Julian. If anyone has any ideas why these kind of effect triggered the fuzz I’d love to hear it so we can try other stuff.
    We will need to some work to keep the feedback from going crazy but it was difinetly working, usable, and sounding exactly like we hoped it would.
    Thanks for all or your time peeps.

    in reply to: Sax Fuzz or Distortion #107936
    bluehevy75
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    we will try some compression tonight as well…I’ve dug up an old alesis compression unit we will try out…

    kh

    in reply to: Sax Fuzz or Distortion #107895
    bluehevy75
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    compressor?

    we don’t have one….how will it help with the fuzz?

    in reply to: Sax Fuzz or Distortion #107882
    bluehevy75
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    1. We will try a pre-amp on Thursday to try and add gain.
    2. People on diystompboxes said a “gated fuzz” could work. Does that sound right?

    in reply to: Sax Fuzz or Distortion #107860
    bluehevy75
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    my guess, put heavy eq on it (heavy meaning cutting out a lot and putting in only what you want) so that you get certain Hz and then try it.

    if that that doesnt work, i dont know but you should play money if you havent already

    We tried heavy eq’ing and it didn’t effect the way the sax interacted with fuzz/distortion that much…
    Refreshed myself on money the sax sounded good but there wasn’t a lot of effect on it was there?

    There is nothing “wrong” about the fuzz/distortion tone but there really isn’t anything “right” either. When ran through the fuzz/distortion pedal the sax is just “hotter” it isn’t like there is any kind of real “dirt” or fuzz in the tone.

    in reply to: Sax Fuzz or Distortion #107848
    bluehevy75
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    One sax player that is making these kinds of sounds is Dana Colley from Morphine. He is now with AKACOD. The sax player in our band isn’t trying to ape him but there are definitely some effects being used with his tone. Check him out and see if it is something besides fuzz maybe my ears are tricking me.

    For a sample listen to these:
    The album is “Hapiness.” The band is AKACOD. Songs are below. I’m sure you can find them online:
    “Happiness” 2:45-3:10 Sax break
    “Spanish Fly” Sax Solos start at 3:50
    “Bad Weather” Sax Solo 2:45-3:55

    You get a look at his pedal boards here:
    http://www.akacod.com/sounds.html
    copy and paste the link bellow as the hyperlink didn’t work
    http://www.arguedasphotography.com/images/08 Rumble/080419/13.jpg

    Thanks for the help.

    in reply to: Sax Fuzz or Distortion #107846
    bluehevy75
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    Well remember that a Saxophone’s harmonic content is very different than that of a guitar and a fuzz/distortion is going to work differently with it.

    What distortions/fuzzes have you tried?

    A few things I’d try:

    Take your Q-tron and put it before the distortion. Put it in lowpass filter mode, with the resonance set kind of low.

    Try your Micro POG in front of the distortion with the dry all the way up, and slowly inch up the octaves and see how that effects the sound.

    These are just things that would help in altering the Sax’s harmonic content to maybe give the fuzz something a bit more to play with.

    We’ve tried a DOD American Metal (I know it’s cheesy but we are trying different stuff). We also tried a clone Fulltone Fuzz ’69 pedal (We tried it with all different settings on the four control knobs and even played with the trim knob on the back). We tried a few boosts too to see if we could overdrive the signal and get some grit that way.

    We did play with the Micro Pog and while that gave us some cool sounds it did not help us when used in conjunction with fuzz/distortion.

    We did not try using the Q-tron before the fuzz but we did try the reverse.

    We tried using a mixer before the effects to help correct for impedance and leveling problems. It didn’t help the sax to interact better with fuzz or distortion but we were able to make the mixer clip. The clipped sound wasn’t super usable but it reaffirmed my thinking that sax fuzz is possible. If we could get grit/distortion out of the mixer there should be some way to get a usable grit/distortion/fuzz out of a pedal.

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