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September 24, 2010 at 9:45 am #80776david247Participant
Every one talks about the difference between big muff pi, rams head, triangle etc. but what differences are there between a vintage electric mistress and a modern one ?
September 24, 2010 at 9:54 am #111632The EH ManModeratorDifferent delay ICs, for one. That makes some difference right there.
September 24, 2010 at 11:00 am #111633Lizard JonnyMemberI would love to see someone do a ‘shootout’ of all the different versions of the big muff. Little off-topic. sorry.
But as The EH Man said, different bits inside them.
September 24, 2010 at 12:06 pm #111635Fender&EHX4everModeratorQuote:Every one talks about the difference between big muff pi, rams head, triangle etc. but what differences are there between a vintage electric mistress and a modern one ?There are several different incarnations of the mistress. I’ve played a few of them. The earliest is the original Dave Cockerell design in the silver muff sized box with green font. It uses a reticon bbd and runs on 18v. I believe that is the most famous version used by Gilmour, Summers, Lifeson, Trower, Levene, etc. It has the most rate and depth knob range of any of the units I’ve tried, and tends to be very bright and trebley compared to the others. Unfortunately, it also tends to suffer from the volume drop issue.
The next version was a Howard Davis redesign of the original which looked the same cosmetically, but it ran on 9v instead of 18. The only other major difference I remember from the unit I had was that it wasn’t as trebley. I regret selling it
Howard then designed the Deluxe version in the larger silver enclosure withe black font, though there are versions of this in green and black too. They also use the reticon bbds. I’ve forgotten what voltage they run at, but I want to say 24v. – not sure. These sounded much fuller, with added low end, and no more volume drop. However, the range in the depth and rate knobs is more narrow in my unit than in the previous incarnations. Also, you get the added bonus of a direct output so you can tailor your own blend of effected and dry signal.
The deluxe was then redesigned again to use Panasonic bbds instead of Reticons. This made the delayed signal a bit more hifi and clean.
And that’s just the pre-1983 history of the mistress, as far as I’ve had the pleasure to try.
Maybe someone else can expound on the reissues.
September 24, 2010 at 12:13 pm #111636The EH ManModeratorI don’t recall a vintage Deluxe version using Panasonic BBDs.
September 24, 2010 at 1:46 pm #111639david247ParticipantI appreciate they have different bits in them, would be dumb to think otherwise. It was more in the tone and range/scope of it, rather than the mechanicals, i am interested in.
September 24, 2010 at 4:39 pm #111645Fender&EHX4everModeratorQuote:I don’t recall a vintage Deluxe version using Panasonic BBDs.I was under the impression that they switched all their time-based delay units to Panasonics after about 1981. But you would know better than me. So only the 90s reissues used Panasonics?
September 24, 2010 at 4:50 pm #111646The EH ManModeratorQuote:Quote:I don’t recall a vintage Deluxe version using Panasonic BBDs.I was under the impression that they switched all their time-based delay units to Panasonics after about 1981. But you would know better than me. So only the 90s reissues used Panasonics?
The vintage ones were all SAD1024 (Reticon) as far as I know. I’ve never seen one w/ Panasonic chips yet. The early reissue used a Reticon RD5106A. Not sure what the later ones are using.
September 24, 2010 at 5:44 pm #111647The EH ManModeratorIt seems like I read somewhere that Mike preferred the Reticon for flanging.
September 25, 2010 at 2:19 pm #111658Fender&EHX4everModeratorQuote:It seems like I read somewhere that Mike preferred the Reticon for flanging.I wonder why no one is making a reticon clone out there for affordable prices? Seems like there would be a market for them.
September 25, 2010 at 4:06 pm #111662The EH ManModeratorI talked to Cool Audio about it but they weren’t interested.
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