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May 31, 2011 at 11:07 am #81662pakkraljMember
Dear EH,
Could you do a Memory man with half delay time at twice the money? I think people would buy itMay 31, 2011 at 11:49 pm #115388nightravenMemberwell you’d need twice as much deluxe memory man for that to work which in turn means twice as much cost
June 1, 2011 at 7:22 am #115390pakkraljMemberJune 1, 2011 at 12:33 pm #115397CryabetesParticipantwhat’s a microcheap?
June 1, 2011 at 12:35 pm #115398The EH ManModeratorQuote:what’s a microcheap?I think he means microchip.
The MN3005 chip used in the original DMM (5 knob) is no longer in production. It would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to put them back in production.
June 2, 2011 at 1:15 am #115404ScruffieMemberQuote:Quote:what’s a microcheap?I think he means microchip.
The MN3005 chip used in the original DMM (5 knob) is no longer in production. It would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to put them back in production.
From the Gutshot I saw, the New Deluxe Memory Man W/Tap Tempo Had 4 x MN3005 in it… they must have held some back.
And there answers what pedal you want, 4 x MN3005 = 1 Second Delay time as opposed to the standard DMM at 550ms and it even has some digital control over an analog pedal.
June 2, 2011 at 2:29 am #115406The EH ManModeratorAre you sure it’s MN3005? I’d assume it’s the MN3008, which has 1/2 the delay time of the MN3005, which is why they’re now using 4 of them in the classic chassis DMM.
June 2, 2011 at 4:08 am #115407ScruffieMemberQuote:Are you sure it’s MN3005? I’d assume it’s the MN3008, which has 1/2 the delay time of the MN3005, which is why they’re now using 4 of them in the classic chassis DMM.Certain, I didn’t beleive it either but it delivers 1ms of Delay so unless they dragged that out of 4 x MN3008 and it sounds terrible… it was MN3005s, see for yourself – http://www.freestompboxes.org/download/file.php?id=12971&mode=view
Not that 3008s would sound any different but there’d need to be 8 of them.
June 2, 2011 at 10:12 am #115409pakkraljMemberI’m a big fan of EH, for a start!
I think that made some great great pedals in the past (see Gilmour, Edge and zillion others).
If one spends some time reading the web will quickly realise that the early u2 Edge sound is still something hard to cover. There is no such product out there that can do it in an authentic good way.
Yes, rack stuff, but who is keen to drag around heavy and complicated boxes nowadays?
EH could ask Mr. Edge if he would be keen to do a memory man pedal with his name on it which could be the best out there for the job. It has the legacy, who else can do it if not EH? Very likely Mr. Edge wouldn’t use it since he moved on long ago from that sound but, hey! How many cover bands are in the world? Name one, I say 1 cover band on this globe which doesn’t have at least one U2 song in the set list!
Plus this myth that the new stuff is crap compared to the stuff made in the old good days is something extremely irritating. Why should be that way? Most of the time the new and improved stuff coming out today really sounds bad compared to the old stuff but … WHY? Are we not able to learn from mistakes? It should be easier to do better than worst!
Don’t know, not a tech myself, not a marketing person either, but I’m just trying to voice a thought that I believe is common among us guitarists, zillions of them judging from all the forums I read in the last few years…
My congrats to Eventide for the good things it produced and keep producing.June 2, 2011 at 10:21 am #115410The EH ManModeratorQuote:Very likely Mr. Edge wouldn’t use it since he moved on long ago from that sound but, hey! How many cover bands are in the world? Name one, I say 1 cover band on this globe which doesn’t have at least one U2 song in the set list!My cover band doesn’t cover any U2 songs.
June 2, 2011 at 2:16 pm #115392ScruffieMemberYeah and I pretty much hate The Edge so i’m not playing his covers… nor have I ever seen a cover band play one of his songs out of many, many bands.
I don’t think this pedal has quite the appeal you make out to warrant a special run for one type of particular sound, however, I think there will be something out there that can do it but it will lead to a lot of experimenting, as the Edge himself does.
And EH Man… does this remind you of a Burst Box to some extent?
Oh and to answer your question about WHY we can’t just create 1 second delays at the drop of the hat (Even though they now have) the more stages you add to an analog delay (More stages equals more delay time) the more the signal is processed and begins to degrade in quality, you can fight it to some extent with filtering and gain but past about 1 second with analog chips is pretty pointless and digital will win, analog also becomes very expensive compared to digital, the old chips can run up to $50 each bought off the current market, I assume EHX payed somewhere around $10-20 each at a guess but still, there’s atleast $40 per unit in one particular part not including everything else so it begins to get expensive and when things get expensive, you cut out a part of the market and EHX has always been a company for your average guitarist who can’t afford boutique.
I also think it’s a bit closed minded to assume all digital is ‘crap’ I admit it, I love the old polaroid camera shots and stuff too, but you can get good digital cameras and the majority of photographers would not have moved on to them unless they were a useful tool for there craft. Simmilarly, I wouldn’t have an EHX Micro Pog if we’d stuck to Analog, it just has its limits, EHX still produce Analog effects though as they know the guitarist wants them and that sound but digital isn’t always bad and the products they produce suit most peoples purposes… as long as they don’t want to sound like the Edge.
June 2, 2011 at 2:22 pm #115412The EH ManModeratorQuote:And EH Man… does this remind you of a Burst Box to some extent?No idea what that is.
June 2, 2011 at 2:44 pm #115413CryabetesParticipantQuote:I’m a big fan of EVENTIDE, for a start!
I think that made some great great pedals in the past (see Gilmour, Edge and zillion others).
If one spends some time reading the web will quickly realise that the early u2 Edge sound is still something hard to cover. There is no such product out there that can do it in an authentic good way.
Yes, rack stuff, but who is keen to drag around heavy and complicated boxes nowadays?
EH could ask Mr. Edge if he would be keen to do a memory man pedal with his name on it which could be the best out there for the job. It has the legacy, who else can do it if not EH? Very likely Mr. Edge wouldn’t use it since he moved on long ago from that sound but, hey! How many cover bands are in the world? Name one, I say 1 cover band on this globe which doesn’t have at least one U2 song in the set list!a lot of cover bands don’t do U2 because Bono is a twat & he burned the Irish flag and Larry Mullen Jr can be replaced by an entry level drum machine. it’s just not fun for them to do compared to something better.
Quote:Plus this myth that the new stuff is crap compared to the stuff made in the old good days is something extremely irritating. Why should be that way? Most of the time the new and improved stuff coming out today really sounds bad compared to the old stuff but … WHY? Are we not able to learn from mistakes? It should be easier to do better than worst!….you’re making two separate arguments here. and also, regarding the second argument, Citation needed.
Quote:Don’t know, not a tech myself, not a marketing person either, but I’m just trying to voice a thought that I believe is common among us guitarists, zillions of them judging from all the forums I read in the last few years…
My congrats to Eventide for the good things it produced and keep producing.It’s very apparent you’re not a tech, because you clearly have no understanding of what all goes into the creation of any of your guitar gizmos. also, it’s very apparent you’re not a marketing person, because they generally have some sense of charisma. and it is apparent you’re a bit of a **** to assume that all of us here are thinking the same thing because we’re all guitarists- if we were all on the same page, we’d all be clamouring for the U2 deluxe memory man sound and there’d be one genre of music – u bloody 2.
Congrats on your eventide purchases. here’s their forum : http://forum.eventide.com/cs/forums/ go bug them.June 2, 2011 at 3:13 pm #115414The EH ManModeratorThis thread’s going to hell in a handbasket quickly and the OP keeps editing his posts so nothing’s even relevant anymore.
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