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  • #91576
    julian
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    hahaha Mr. Freeman
    I finally got the Little Rocket Man achievement in HL2:EP2. I started on it in November around thanksgiving (I always seem to be playing HL around thanksgiving, it’s a tradition) and got bored, went back to it.

    There’s still plenty of effects nobody’s ever made before, and also ones that others have made that could be improved upon.

    Once you get a good synthesizer and begin to truly understand what sound synthesis is and how it works, you’ll realize there’s nearly limitless possibilities for guitar effects.

    #91727
    Chumley
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    those stupid “synth” pickup things with all of the different sounds

    Plain not true. MIDI pickups allow your guitar to sound like, quite literally, anything you can imagine, and if you’re too impatient to bother programming a decent patch, or too cheap to invest in a good synth module, that reflects on you, not the hardware. As a synthesist, the implications that the only thing that sounds good is a guitar with minimal pedals (and across several posts, you’ve strongly suggested that) is not just offensive, but ignorant.

    Nerd rage rawr.

    #91735
    Costch
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    those stupid “synth” pickup things with all of the different sounds

    Plain not true. MIDI pickups allow your guitar to sound like, quite literally, anything you can imagine, and if you’re too impatient to bother programming a decent patch, or too cheap to invest in a good synth module, that reflects on you, not the hardware. As a synthesist, the implications that the only thing that sounds good is a guitar with minimal pedals (and across several posts, you’ve strongly suggested that) is not just offensive, but ignorant.

    Nerd rage rawr.

    Fuck the police! I’m usin’ whatever the hell I want.

    #91753
    julian
    Moderator

    The thing is that there is no ideal. It’s art. Use whatever palette you’d like. Paint on canvas or paint in plaster. Paint in a realist, impressionist, cubist, modernist, pointillist, or post-modernist style or whatever other style suits you.

    Also. . . With a Midi to CV converter and a midi pickup you could play an analog synth with your guitar.

    #96170
    WatsonWood
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    Well….to get back to Tube Reverb and Tape Echo, the best Tape Echo I ever used comprised two Revox reel-to-reel tape recorders with the tape running from one to anothher over a distance of about five feet before looping back again.
    Otherwise for live gigs I often used and still have the Korg 500 Stage Echo with multiple tape heads. A great machine with true analog sound-on-sound. A modern EHX version of the Korg Stage Echo would be simply fantastic. (I tried out the Pigtronix Echolution which is really good but does not offer any equivalent sound-on-sound functions)
    Tube Reverb is generally warm, very effective, super expensive and has a tendency to emit low hums, unless you buy the even more expensive TRs. An XO TR from EHX could be interesting though.
    …and,yes….I really like echo ever since my first WEM Copicat.

    #96268
    John J
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    I heard a kid playing the Fulltone Tube Tape Echo in Long and Mcquade a few days ago. He wasn’t very good but he was still way better than me so THAT aspect of it sucked, but it was the best sounding delay I have ever heard – the online demos don’t do it justice. But the price tag is insane, and even the solid state models by other companies sell for crazy cash. There could be potentially be a very lucrative market here for EHX to step into, just sayin’.

    “A tape echo for LESS than a thousand goddamn dollars? Sure!”

    #96288
    WatsonWood
    Member

    Absolutely John J. And an EHX True Tape Echo would be really cool and also extraordinary since EHX started its incredible delay and echo reputation based on the fact that they did the tape thing without a tape! Of course, some brands offer Tape Echos without tape. Well, that just does not work, however Lo-Fi or Plastic Synthetic they make them.
    And any reel-to-reel tape recorder can be looped so as to function as an echo machine. Cheap and great fun to experiment with.

    #96294
    John J
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    And any reel-to-reel tape recorder can be looped so as to function as an echo machine. Cheap and great fun to experiment with.

    ANY reel to reel tape recorder? Do tell…

    #96297
    WatsonWood
    Member

    Here is a brief selection of the sort of reel-to-reel tape recorders you can find either on eBay or in pawn shops. You take a given length of magnetic tape, splice it together (thin transparent Sellotape and a sharp razor blade on a non-metal support surface using a diagonal cut should do the trick), then you place your tape loop on to the empty reels, left and right, put the tape machine into record, link the playback RCA cinch connections to your amp or mixing table by using an RCA cinch > telephone jack lead, start the recording and then start playing, the tape loop will record what you are playing and then put it out through the playback tape heads and voilà! tape echo.
    You change the speed of the tape recorder as you wish, change the length of your tape loops and you can also link two tape recording machines in series, first left reel to the second right reel, and experiment with distance between them, with great results.
    One reggae album I produced featured two Revox reel-to-reel tape recorders with a distance of four and a half feet between them and a tape loop crossing the control cabin. This produced some great echo/sound-on-sound drums and vocals, with one incisive guitar chop which would appear in the mix, then disappear only to re-emerge at certain moments. If set up correctly, the double tape recorder system gives you a double stereo echo with great variations.
    The reel-to-reel tape recorders featured in the selection below are:-

    Akai GX 215D
    Philips N4520-High End
    Revox B 77 MKII Stereo
    Revox B 77
    Revox Type A 77 MKII
    Sony TC 252 Stereo
    Sony TC-755
    Teac X-300

    This is a small selection of what is out there and up for grabs. I do not recommend Uher, by the way. Good recorders but no good for echo.
    The best by far, as used by many musicians in the past and present, are the Revox B77 Mk II and/or the Revox A77 Mk II. Tascam / Teac are also good but you have to make sure that the model you are looking at is not a super hi-fi automatic tape reverse model. They are useless for echo. However the big Teac and Tascam 2 Track Stereo Master Recorders are great.
    Last but not least is the Teac 3440 reel-to-reel 4 Track Sync Recorder (not pictured here) which is the nec plus ultra!
    It allows you to record on 4 sync tracks separately, with mixdown from two or three tracks to two or one track as you wish. You can imagine that with a tape loop this offers a load of possibilities.

    …..and if you are still reading this you must be hooked on the idea…and a reel-to-reel tape recorder as featured in the picture below costs between 50 and 600 USD, so you have a wide choice to fit your budget.

    #96727
    vulturepiano
    Member

    … reverse reverb

    #96728
    WatsonWood
    Member

    John J, here is a photo of the TEAC 3440 four track sync tape recorder I mentioned before. I saw one for sale here in Bremen, Germany, a little while ago for 350 Euro.

    #96745
    John J
    Member

    Cool, thanks! I found an old Akai GX-630D in town here for just under $70 CDN, as far as I can tell it’s in perfect working order and it looks functionally identical to the GX-215D. Now it’s just a matter of finding enough time to get this happening!

    PS that TEAC looks incredible… just plain incredible.

    #96751
    WatsonWood
    Member

    Yes, John, it is indeed incredible. I am lucky enough to still have the one I bought years ago and it has held up very well to years of use and also several years on the road. I wish you lots of fun and success experimenting with your loops!

    #97423
    mattcasey
    Member
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    … reverse reverb

    isn’t that the reverse gate on the holier grail with golden gate?

    #97444
    nightraven
    Member
    Quote:
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    … reverse reverb

    isn’t that the reverse gate on the holier grail with golden gate?

    reverse gate isn’t the same as reverse reverb. reverse gate just increases the reverb as your notes sustain and fade away, which almost acts like a compressor in some respects, but it doesn’t do my bloody valentine type reverse reverb. for reverse reverb you need a digital processor.

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