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July 2, 2009 at 10:52 pm #98792Ned FlandersModerator
To clarify, I love the way green sovteks look, and that’s why I own one, but I hate the sound so that’s why its modified.
July 2, 2009 at 11:00 pm #98793julianModeratorYeah. The Green sovteks have to be about the most bad ass looking Big Muffs ever. I had one briefly, but then I sold it because it needed repairs AND I needed money.
A gain stage was faulty, so it gave out this sputtery gated type fuzz. But then you’d hit it with a boost or an OD and it would sound the way it’s supposed to sound. And it was awesome.
July 2, 2009 at 11:05 pm #98795Ned FlandersModeratorIt really no surprise the myth started that they were made from old soviet tanks IMO, they look like some piece of soviet militaria.
I’m still not happy with the way mine sounds, I been planning on turning int into a ramshead muff (10uF input cap version) for a while now but I’m too lazy to get around to it.
July 2, 2009 at 11:30 pm #98790Ned FlandersModeratorQuote:Quote:OPAMP big muffs havent been made since 1979, all current big muffs are NPN and use BC550C or 2N5088 transistors.
BTW, they ALL sound cool as fuck!Let’s do a quick vote, which Big Muff Pi had you rather have on your pedal board?
1. An early 70’s “triangle knobs” Big Muff / mid 70’s “Ram’s Head” Big Muff? OR
2. A current Big Muff?Note: David Gilmour used a triangle knobs Big Muff similar to the one on the far left, on most all of Pink Floyd’s early recordings and 70’s tours. I guess he had no idea what the hell he was doing.
My favorite muffs?
1) My 1978 OPAMP big muff with tone bypass.
1.5) My Big Muff with tone wicker.And I hate David Gilmour and pink floyd and that style of music. IMO, the triangle muff is one of the worst, its thin sounding compared to other versions but that’s on account of the 0.1uF caps whereas other versions have 1uF caps. If you swapped the caps in the triangle muff for 1uF I’d like it.
July 3, 2009 at 12:39 am #98797LesPaulCustom79MemberQUOTE:”Maybe they should just introduce a Big Muff with modder’s kit with sockets to change transistors, resistors, and wire up different switches.”
This is an excellent idea, mfg. a modable version Big Muff, with the sockets to easily change the transistor/transistors as needed to “Triangle Big Muff” specs or “Rams Head Big Muff” specs, and if you don’t like the tone for some reason, you can change it back to “current version Big Muff”. I’m not sure what type of prongs come on the current vs. vintage transistors and if the necessary socket is available. This would be a more economical route than paying hundreds of dollars on eBay for a beat-up early 70’s Triangle Muff only to find out it’s been fried and you can’t find replacement parts.
Analogman when he mods a TS-9 Tubescreamer, installs an opamp socket, so you can experiment with different opamps and find the exact one that floats your boat. If you don’t like the JRC4558D opamp for some reason, you can change it. I have even seen some guys stack and solder together two opamps to use at the same time to get a really different overdrive tone, similar to SRV running (2) vintage TS-808’s in tandem. (See the photo of a double stacked opamp).
July 3, 2009 at 12:54 am #98803McHavenModeratorI think I know why you think your vintage muff sounds better.
Because you want it to. Your brain and ears can do crazy things, and this whole thing could just be psychological! I also disagree about the components or handwiring being better than the machine made pedals. The 70S EHX pedals have some of the worst soldering I’ve ever seen on a commercial product.
July 3, 2009 at 12:59 am #98805Ned FlandersModeratorQuote:The 70S EHX pedals have some of the worst soldering I’ve ever seen on a commercial product.Yes, Yes they do!
July 3, 2009 at 12:59 am #98806LesPaulCustom79MemberSeveral things about Gilmour’s tone, he used a vintage Strat with really, really, hot wound pickups, but very articulate at the same time, probably 57’s and played through 3 Hiwatt Custom DR-103 amp heads into several WEM 4X12 cabinets, loaded with 12″ FANE Speakers. That is the epitome of clean, bright, in-your-face tone, no wonder he liked EH Triangle Big Muffs, EH Electric Mistress Deluxes and Dynacomps to tone it down.
July 3, 2009 at 1:01 am #98807julianModeratorWell, most any transistor that you’d use with fuzz pedals will be socketable. They’ve all got 3 lead wires- emitter, base, and collector. You can always bend them a little bit if they don’t quite fit, just as you would with lead wires on resistors and capacitors.
The one limitation would be that you couldn’t switch back and forth from PNP to NPN with ease. (PNP requires positive ground, so any polarized caps you’d need to reverse, etc)
July 3, 2009 at 1:06 am #98808LesPaulCustom79MemberQuote:I think I know why you think your vintage muff sounds better.Because you want it to. Your brain and ears can do crazy things, and this whole thing could just be psychological! I also disagree about the components or handwiring being better than the machine made pedals. The 70S EHX pedals have some of the worst soldering I’ve ever seen on a commercial product.
Maybe, I got LUCKY and got a really good one!!! Alot of pedals were crap shoots in the good old 1970’s, depending on what stoner assembled them. BUT when you got a good one, you got a really, really, really, good one.
July 3, 2009 at 3:56 am #98812devnulljpParticipantQuote:I think I know why you think your vintage muff sounds better.Because you want it to. Your brain and ears can do crazy things, and this whole thing could just be psychological! I also disagree about the components or handwiring being better than the machine made pedals. The 70S EHX pedals have some of the worst soldering I’ve ever seen on a commercial product.
There is definitely something to the Clever Hans and confirmation bias in there, but, despite the abrasive tone of the original post, there is also something to be said for a good vintage big muff vs. a modern mass-produced one. (although it has nothing to do with superior build quality; some of my old EHX gear looks like it was put together in the dark…by people wearing boxing gloves). I have a bunch of big muffs, so I’ve done a lot of A/B/C comparisons, and my ears tell me they get both noisier and fizzier the younger they get. Although that mid-scoop thing might not work out so great depending on what other instruments you’re playing with.
I was lucky and found a really nice v2 ram’s head (w/ FS36999 trannies, which are Fairchild 2N5133 right?); it’s smooth, not overly noisy, sounds great, just the way I expect a great big muff to sound. My v3 red/black 3003 w/ BC239C trannies also sounds great, different but great nonetheless. More aggressive than the ram’s head. I have a v6 3034 w/ S2N5088, which is noisy as hell, and in your face. Not my favourite. So I put in a gating capacitor, and now it’s usable but sounds like a cross between a superfuzz and a muff. I also have a couple of IC muffs — a 3003B with on/off switch and a 3003 w/ tone bypass — and they do sound more like distortions than fuzzes to me. More top end and more fizz than either of the vintage transistor muffs. I like the sound of the tone wicker–it’s one of the few new pedals I’ve been excited about–but it’s really too noisy (with or without wicker on/off tone on/off) so doesn’t get used much. I could see kicking it on for solos when there’s no break in what you’re playing but other than that…
My go-to big muffs are the v2 ram head and a D*A*M ram head though. My amp is an old 70s Traynor and is quite bright, so that interplay might have something to do with it, although my guitar (ES335) is quite dark.It’s all subjective, and I don’t see any reason to get all SHOUTING AND WRITING IN ALL CAPS about it .
Mudhoney wouldn’t have been Mudhoney without those noisy toppy (3034?) Big Muffs and noisy/gated Superfuzzes, and I don’t think a triangle muff (yes, I used to have one; and yes I stupidly traded it) would overly suit Jack White. But I’ve read both David Gilmour and Robert Fripp say that it’s not really the gear that’s important. Fripp says any fuzzbox will do (I wonder if he truly means “any”?) The rest of us fetishise the gear, while those guys just get on with it.And this is just misinformed flamebait anyway as noted above (last IC Big Muff was produced almost 30 years ago:
Quote:Quit making those hideous Big Muffs with opamps that sound like all the other mediocre overdrives out there.July 3, 2009 at 11:58 am #98823LesPaulCustom79MemberWhen it finally gets down to vintage vs. current Big Muffs, it is like the old tennis pro statement,
“There are different strokes for different folks.”July 3, 2009 at 3:34 pm #98828julianModeratorDefinitely.
Smooth is definitely not something I’d say I look for in Big Muffs. I want it to be super fuzzy and mean.
July 3, 2009 at 3:45 pm #98829devnulljpParticipantQuote:Smooth is definitely not something I’d say I look for in Big Muffs. I want it to be super fuzzy and mean.Vive le difference
(I have a Superfuzz and a Roland when I want mean and nasty )
July 3, 2009 at 9:05 pm #98843Ned FlandersModeratorWhat I don’t like is that there’s this myth on the interwebz that only vintage Big Muffs are any good…what, EHX cant make good pedals anymore?!?!?!?!
I have a mix of both vintage and modern and they all sound good and very similar, the differences are subtle!
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