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October 20, 2010 at 1:51 pm #80886bodhisaganParticipant
Howdy,
Yeah I’m a synth newb or really pre-newb. I’ve been investigating MIDI and non-MIDI synths the last few months and I’m not thrilled with either the cost, the guitar mods or proprietary mindset of guitar MIDI in general (hello, may I give Roland my whole paycheck?). I have priced ghost saddles, 13 pin converters, you name it and I’m seeing $1000 before I’m done and honestly I really struggled to use the Roland they had setup at GC (not that they were any help).
I’ve been watching the Youtube vids for Electro Harmonix gear and I am so impressed. Polyphonics and tracking monsters. Really great stuff.
So, here is a question which I haveheard asked different ways on this board but not quite the way I would have asked it, exactly, nor have the answers lead me to the answer I’m looking for. If I were to get only one pedal, which one would give me most of what I’m looking for.
Here’s what I have – several electric and acoustic electric guitars, a Carvin awesome beast of a guitar as my most “professional” grade machine but my others are excellent too (no crappy guitars on my wall LOL). I play through a VOX VT30 which has a nice suite of bundled effects and does a nice job of amp modelling (used to lug the big tube amp and the difference wasn’t worth the back ache). I also have an H&K ATS Sixty that I can’t seem to sell and perhaps don’t really want to (great tone, just not as flexible as my Vox). I also have a Crybaby Wah and I am borrowing a Boss pitchshifter, which I think I could buy from the owner if I really needed it for a very reasonable price (he doesn’t use it).
So what I am looking to be able to do is a) make a reasonable Hammond b) a reasonable church/pipe organ c) do an electric piano -no quarterish, but doesn’t need to be a ringer d) synth strings (they don’t need to be too believable, melotrone effect is fine or even “in through the outdoor-esque” is fine and e) Rush-like synth sounds from Signals/Moving Pictures. f) 12 string would be nice but the other features above are a higher pri for me (so if this were the diff between a HOG and POG2 I’d still go HOG.
I don’t need perfect emulation of any of these, just decent. To give you a for instance I am pretty excited with the tone I got from a boss pitch shifter I’m borrowing and the rotary speaker effect on my amp as sort of organ. To be able to hold a chord and play over it in bypass mode would be the “holy grail” of functionality, but I could get that later if not integrated into the pedal. I do a lot of original music so a copy of someone else’s sound isn’t required, as a matter of fact I like to explore some of my own sounds where possible. However, I’ll never get away from doing covers so coming close to other people’s stuff doesn’t suck.
Does the HOG or POG2 (I’ve played with the micro pog, but I don’t think it can do all that much, dunno really) have the ability to do much of this in one package? Once again perfection isn’t the goal but teamed up with my other gear I can augment this one pedal a lot. Am I missing another pedal you would suggest instead of these two?
Thanks for your help. Excuse the long post I didn’t realize how long winded I have been. I’m trying not to break the bank but a single shot won’t kill me so cost is a factor but not the only one.
October 20, 2010 at 2:03 pm #112048TheGhostMachinaMemberI use my HOG for all the things you described. I recommend the preset controller to:)
TGM
October 20, 2010 at 2:05 pm #112047bodhisaganParticipantThanks. That’s I figured the preset pedal would be super nice. Do you find the inability to de-tune on the HOG vs. the POG2 hurts you much?
Thanks!
October 20, 2010 at 2:39 pm #112046TheGhostMachinaMemberNah… I have the POG2 as well. I mainly use it for octafuzz type leads (think white stripes). The detune produces a really nice chorus sound. But I rarely use it. I think the HOG is what you’re looking for. Especially for the midi function. You can automate the expression via a midi sequencer, or midi pitchbend wheel on a keyboard. Using it with Ableton and Reason is mind blowing!
Hope that helps,
TGM
October 20, 2010 at 2:51 pm #112044julianModerator+1 for the HOG. I love mine. It’s actually the most I’ve ever spent on a piece of gear.
October 20, 2010 at 4:28 pm #112056bodhisaganParticipantAnybody know a starving musician I can buy a HOG off of for $100? LOL Thanks for the info, I’m really leaning that way only the $$$ has me worried about getting my hands on this thing in the next several months. I do have two kidneys still. Maybe I can get a trade:)
October 23, 2010 at 10:09 pm #112115ExplorerMemberThis past year I’ve picked up a lot of non-MIDI guitar/bass synth gear. I think the POG2 and HOG are amazing, but there is definitely that price differential to get both the HOG and the preset footswitch versus the POG2. Are you thinking of using this live or for studio/recording stuff?
There’s currently a thread/conversation about non-MIDI synthesis over at Talkbass.com.
The POG2 manages to do quite a lot in its small footprint. By itself it can make a lot of great sounds, and adding other effects is like adding modules to your personal floor-based modular synthesizer. Using it with a thick fuzz and chorus (and possibly reverb) allows getting a lot of classic synth tones, and adding some sort of envelope to it (either a simple autowah/synth wah, or the more full featured filters) allows the generation of more classic analog synth tones and envelopes.
Ah… but the HOG… it does a bit more, but that “more” is pretty amazing. The Spectral Gate and Freeze mode are pretty cool, and the fact that there is virtually a one-to-one correspondence between the harmonic sliders on the HOG and the drawbars of a classic Hammond organ means you can use the settings from a dictionary of Hammond drawbar registrations to get those tones from your HOG, and then (again) use a decent envelope generator to get the attack and decay you’re looking for. Here’s one such dictionary.
http://www.modempool.com/haldavis/hammond.txt
And, don’t forget there’s some great stuff here in the Effectology videos and discussion.
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I couldn’t make up my mind between the HOG and the POG2. I own both.
Good luck!
October 25, 2010 at 11:11 am #112156bodhisaganParticipantYeah, so I am planning to gig again although I’m not gigging currently. I’ve got some guys together and it’s looking good. We’re going to have 2 guitarists. I’ve not done that much and it offers the ability for me to do other things.
I don’t want a keyboardist (then you always have to give that person work) but I would like the ability to play some tunes with organ/keyboard parts without having a keyboard player (no offense to keyboard players, I just don’t want to try to find a keyboard part for every song that I want to play).
So, it looks like I need to save up for a HOG. It might be a while; they’re not cheap.
I wish I could get both but that’s a pipe dream right now.
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