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  • #80716
    Post-Script
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    For quite some time, I haven’t been looking into guitar gear, due to a number of reasons. And my experience has always been with some old stomboxes that my father had “of which are an EH Small Stone and an EH equalizer”, until I bought my own guitar, and eventually bought a Digitech RP50, later a GNX3. Around here, the culture revolves around Multi-effect Processors. Only recently, that I’ve been surfing the web looking around for stuff like that, and recently bought the Big Muff Germanium 4 “which I’ll refer to as a Mugg”. I’m very happy with it!

    The thing is, that multieffect units such the GNX3, and others, offer a great deal of convenience, making presets and putting them in a desired order, less cables! Yet, I find that people would still use a zillion stomboxes, than to use one multi”. Check the Gallery page on http://www.gilmourish.com “great site”

    Of course, it seems that even with the technology of these days, guitar players “such as yourselves, howdy” would still go for individual stomboxes, because they would sound better.
    I’m not really pro or against either of the methods. I’m pro rockin’ out! Playing music and having a good time, even if it’s just at home. But I would like to ask for the reason for your preferences, I like to know how people think.

    For myself, I recently bought a Line 6 Spider III 30 watt amp, and though it doesn’t sound that great to me, in certain aspects, it still offers me that natural amplifier response, plugging in a Crybaby Wah Original, sounds great, or a really old MXR DynaComp “two thumbs up” and now with Mugg plugged in, I have Certain areas in the tone filled out, and it’s marvelous. I went back to the GNX3, and I just wasn’t happy anymore. Of course, maybe one has to tweak the settings again.

    So what do you think? Is it how use the multi-units? Or maybe they’re just not that good?

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    #111334

    stomp boxes all the way!!!

    if you think about it, you can fit more quality into something small than several into a big one.

    #111336
    DarkAxel
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    I personally don’t like multieffect units very much.

    It’s probably mainly because i’m a stomp-box-enthusiast :) i just love experimenting with different settings and combinations and when it comes to that, it’s easier to me to come up with new things when i have my tools lined up on the ground and i know exactly where is everything, what’s the settings and what does what

    BUT if i wasn’t so crazy about the effects and i just wanted to spice-up my sound sometimes… not caring about the “sound-pioneering” :D … i’d totally buy TC Electronics Nova System and just rock out :)

    #111358
    fantomenos
    Member

    Yeah, I’m firmly in the stomp-box camp. Companies like Line 6 and Vox are doing great things, but I still feel removed from the sound when I play digital effects. Maybe it’s all psychological, but it feels like I’m “triggering” something instead of “playing” something, ya know?

    The worst for me is, I bought a little Vox DA5 with a bunch of effects, and it just made me go out and buy more stomp-boxes, since I wanted to try the “real” version.

    #111372
    BlueSteel
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    i like stomp-boxes a lot more

    #111373
    electro-melx
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    I think both have their uses. I love using different dirt pedals and I much prefer single pedals for this, but honestly I wouldn’t mind having all my modulations and delay in a single unit because I don’t really use them that much… at home I usually use an old Zoom rack multi fx for modulation and delay and it does the job fine and sounds really good, it was also really cheap which gives me more money to spend on cool distortion pedals!!

    I don’t really buy into the whole single FX ‘always sound better’ theory either, There are lots of single pedals around that sound very poor. I think the real advantage is the ‘mix and match’ nature of single units, you can’t, for example, take the overdrives off one multi, add the chorus off another multi and the delays from another, that could make choosing one difficult. With single effects you have the chance to choose exactly what you want from each effect.

    #111374
    Post-Script
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    Elo, and thank you all for replying. Your replies have been helpful. I think the most interesting bit i read was the following, by Electro-Meix. Never thought if it this way. And it really makes sense. You get to use the exact things you want.

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    I think the real advantage is the ‘mix and match’ nature of single units, you can’t, for example, take the overdrives off one multi, add the chorus off another multi and the delays from another, that could make choosing one difficult. With single effects you have the chance to choose exactly what you want from each effect.

    I believe that I’d like to play with whatever gives me the sound I like. This could be a multieffect processor, tens of stompboxes, or a turtle a salamander and a crocodile in a daisy chain. As i probably said before, multieffects provide you with certain conveniences, but i guess they still fail to produce the true tone of the stompboxes they’re imitating.

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    #111376
    Explorer
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    If you read enough threads/topics about guitar pedals, you’ll noticed that people spend a huge amount of time with any given stompbox, seeing how it fits into their signal chain, and finding the perfect setting for what they’re looking for.

    When you read enough threads/topics about modelers and multi-effects units, you’ll notice that people spend a lot of time at the macro level of the patches, but not a lot at every single effect which makes up part of any particular patch.

    If people spent the same amount of time on the individual parts of multi-effects units as they did on individual stompboxes, they’d get better results.

    There are other issues as well. A lot of people don’t understand that one shouldn’t use the ambient settings, which add the space and air of an amp and its interaction with the environment, when then running such effects through an amp. Doing so just makes things sound noisy, because running that ambient processing through the system again just duplicates any noise problems which are inherent in live sound reproduction/reinforcement. That’s why you hear so many complaints about “fizz”; it’s ignorance on the part of those who never learned what their multi is doing.

    Given that some multifx boxes contain the same basic sounds as stompboxes, it’s hard to argue that something like the Line 6 M13 and M9 don’t have many of the same patches as the stompboxes they’re modelling. The Boss GT and ME units sound great, and are capable of amazing things.

    I do own stompboxes, as there are some things which aren’t available in a multifx unit. My HOG and POG2 are pretty unique. My TC Nova Modulator manages to replicate all the Electric Mistress stuff (including, surprisingly, the Filter Matrix settings), so it stays on the board. (My Yamaha UD-Stomp does as well, but I don’t want to take that out gigging, given its rarity.)

    Ideally, I’d be able to spend a huge amount of time with a Line 6 X3 and an M13, and see how close I could get to everything else. It can be really great to just carry an ME-70 into a place and run that, instead of having to carry in huge pedalboards. If it does what you need on a gig, and sounds good, that’s all you need.

    There’s quite a difference between experimenting endlessly at practice space or bedroom volume levels, and actually playing a gig and fitting into a band. Stevie Ray Vaughan had less than 6 pedals on his board, including his Tube Screamer, and it was less than boutique. If he could make do with less, and still get across what he wanted, I have to realize that technique counts more towards having a sound that communicates than having a bunch a pedals I can endlessly tweak….

    #111377
    Post-Script
    Member

    Very well spoken, thanks a lot : )

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