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    jiminayr
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    Hi All,
    I am a committed Shadows fanatic and play guitar (Fender Strat – Fiesta Red of course)
    I play through an Alesis Q20 loaded with the proper Shadows Echoes into a Vox amp.
    Where I find my echo patterns are spot on I cannot achieve that clear bell like Shadows tone (Wonderful Land, Peace Pipe etc.)
    Since EHX can produce most sounds, e.g. organ etc. is there a pedal I could put in my chain to produce what I am searching for.
    All help gratefully accepted.
    Thanks
    Jim

    #121730
    EHX STAFF
    Keymaster

    Hi Jim
    Its just a clean sound with some reverb. What are you not getting in your sound?

    #121731
    jiminayr
    Member

    Hi thanks for your reply.
    I find the high strings are shrill and lower ones “muddy”

    #121734
    EHX STAFF
    Keymaster

    Have you tried compression? That could tighten things up.
    Does it sound the same (Muddy/shrill) just plugging your guitar straight into the amp?

    #121737
    jiminayr
    Member

    No I haven’t tried compression.
    The sound is clean straight into the amp, it appears to be when through the echo.
    I have several echoes and it is similar through all of them

    #121738
    EHX STAFF
    Keymaster

    Does the amp have an effect loop?
    That could help.

    #121740
    jiminayr
    Member

    No it does not have an effects loop.
    I have tried most options and really only wondered if EHX had a pedal that would solve my problem but it would appear there is no easy solution.
    Thanks for your help anyway

    #121809
    Wayne2
    Member

    I’m a big Shadows fan too. I get my Wonderful Land echoes out of a TC Alter Ego V2 on the Binson setting (I think it’s called EREC2) and the switch set to quarters plus dotted eighths.

    The Alter Ego is digital but I think this is the way to go as you are trying to emulate expensive old machines that used magnetic media.

    Congrats on the fiesta red strat. Need a pic!

    #121810
    Wayne2
    Member

    I was thinking a little bit more overnight and if I remember correctly the Binson includes some kind of tube preamp that adds its own color. The Binson also has a subtle detuning effect due to the spinning magnetic disk.

    I’ve played around with clean boosts and compressors and gotten closer to Hank’s sound sometimes, though I’ve never felt like I completely nailed it. The EHX Black Finger is a really cool compressor if you’re looking for one.

    Here’s a vid of some guy using a Catalinbread Echorec. Sounds good!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDbyBCHXEXI

    #121827
    jiminayr
    Member

    Thanks very much for your two replies.
    I do not really have a problem with the actual echoes as my Alesis Q20 (Which Hank has actually used on tour at one time) and my Zoom G3 are programmed with EFTP by Charlie Hall and are spot on.
    My problem is nailing the actual tone, I find my high notes are shrill, almost distorted and the lower ones muddy, I cannot achieve the clean “creamy” sound.
    I have tried compressors, graphic equalisers et al but to no avail.
    Sorry don’t have the where with all to attach a photo of my Strat.
    It is a ’59 reissue Hank Marvin signature, fiesta red with 57/62 pickups, maple fret board and VML easy mute trem. I absolutely love it. If I could only nail “that sound” it would be perfect.
    Cheers, Jim

    #121828
    Wayne2
    Member

    Holy cow that’s an amazing guitar.

    As far as nailing Hank’s exact tone, now we’re down the rabbit hole. The good thing about Hank is he doesn’t seem to be too inflexible, and tries things like digital.

    I know what you mean with the shrill highs and muddy lows. I think it’s a strat thing.

    Don’t take me too seriously, I’m just a hobbyist who has never played out. Here is some stuff I’ve tried:

    1) Strings – Probably like everyone else Hank used thick strings back in the day. I’m not going to do that because I like to bend without too much effort, but I’ve compromised with Ernie Ball Pure Nickel Hybrid Slinky strings. The top strings are like 9’s and the bottom like 10’s. This gives a little more spring in the low notes and makes stuff like those galloping parts in Apache a little easier to play.

    2) Trem setup – I noticed my strat sounded more like Hank when I set my trem to float so that I could raise the pitch a half step as well as lowering it. Seems to have the right amount of give to it and a sweeter attack.

    3) Amp/speaker – You might try changing the speaker. I know it’s not very Hank-like but I use a hemp cone Lil’ Buddy speaker when I’m playing in Madison Square Basement. It’s easier on my ears.

    4) Capacitor/wiring mods – I hesitate to tell you to mess with your guitar, but if you have a really shrill bridge pickup you might consider wiring it into a no-load tone control that turns itself off when dialed up to 10. It can share this knob with the middle pickup. Also consider a 0.1 mfd capacitor if the one they have in there is some lower number.

    Thanks for that tip about the Zoom G3. I’m going to look into that. I have a G3X.

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