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January 31, 2011 at 4:23 pm #81302stuntmediaMember
EH forum,
My main guitar, right now, is a Gibson 135 with a Bigsby tremolo. I do a lot of chord vibrato kind of playing, but I am not very happy with the Bigsby for various reasons. I also have a number of solid, hardtail guitars that I would prefer to play, if I could achieve the effect of the Bigsby. On these guitars I have tried to use my Digitech WH1 Whammy pedal to simulate Bigsby vibrato, but the polyphony is horrible. I have read about, and seen demos of, the EH Hog, and, while it seems like a solution, it also seems like way too much for my needs. Any chance of there being more of a tremolo simulating expression pedal? A whammy style pedal with better polyphony?
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January 31, 2011 at 4:32 pm #114068The EH ManModeratorIf you can find a big box Small Clone, it can be modified fairly easily to have a vibrato setting.
Unless you’re wanting to simulate vibrato in real time with a foot pedal (like a wah), this would be a good option.January 31, 2011 at 4:41 pm #114069stuntmediaMemberI’m definitely looking for more of a real-time wah-style effect. I think, on the Hog, it is referred to as ‘step bend’. I would essentially like to use an expression pedal in exactly the same way you would use a Bigsby.
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January 31, 2011 at 4:43 pm #114070The EH ManModeratorThere’s probably some way to attach an expression pedal to a modified Small Clone but I’m not sure of the details.
January 31, 2011 at 6:07 pm #114071stuntmediaMemberHere’s the situation, as I see it: I have probably owned about 40 different guitars in my lifetime, and those guitars have encompassed nearly every type of tremolo bar available. I’ve had Floyds, Kahlers, Bigsbys, Fenders, Wonderbars, a Trans-Trem, and a Stetsbar, and in ALL cases, the tremolo has been problematic, at best, and at worst, a tonal, tuning or installation nightmare. I love the effect, but I hate the device. I have even installed a Hipshot Tremsetter on a Strat, and there were still problems. I’ve seen countless, beautiful guitars, defaced with routed cavities and post holes. Also, anytime you add a tremolo to a hardtail instrument, it alters the tone. If you put a Bigsby on a Tele, it no longer sounds like the same Tele. If you put a Floyd Rose Tremolo on a Les Paul, it no longer sounds like it once did. The only tremolo I’ve used that had minimal effect on the tone of the original instrument, was the Stetsbar, but that is only if the guitar you started with had a Tun-o-matic tailpiece, so that it is an unaltered fit. This doesn’t even get into tuning issues, locking nuts, neck shims etc… It would be nice just to remove the effect from the guitar entirely, and put it in an expression pedal. That way, your guitar will stay in tune like a hardtail, and always sound like your guitar should sound. Digitech tried it with the Whammy pedal, but it sounds terrible with regard to chord polyphony, and splits duty with trying to be a harmonizer as well. I envision a pedal whose sole purpose is to eliminate the need for a tremolo bar. Period. It could even have preset pitch modes for well-known tremolo models, that allow the range of the pedal to simulate the range of the bar. Oh, Effect Gods…Hear my Plea!
January 31, 2011 at 6:43 pm #114072julianModeratorHow about the Ring Thing? It’s smaller and less expensive than the HOG, and I think it does the polyphonic whammy thing.
Also you can go up and down in your sweep instead of just up or just down. It also has presets, so you could save in different sensitivity settings.
The only thing is that out of an expression pedal, I don’t know that you could get quite the same amount of control.
Though there is something called the source audio hot-hand with a hot-hand midi/exp controller, so you’d have a little ring on your finger that you could control the bends with.
A Ring Thing + a Hot Hand + Hot Hand controller would certainly add up, but I think it might be worth a look. I know that stetsbars and bigsbys will add up too.
January 31, 2011 at 7:19 pm #114073stuntmediaMemberWow…Julian…I think you’ve nailed this one. I hadn’t even looked at the Ring Thing, due to my preconceived notions of a ring modulator, but, it seems to do exactly what I’m talking about. Thanks so much. I will have to look into the Hot Hand more closely, but I’m definitely looking to try out the Ring Thing. Damn, this will let me play the way I like on any of my guitars! Too cool! Thanks to you and EH Man for your insights on this!
January 31, 2011 at 8:39 pm #114074C.J.Participant+1 on the ring thing, especially with an expression pedal. it works like the Whammy always wanted to. the tracking is FLAWLESS.
February 1, 2011 at 3:38 am #114080Mr.GrimMemberi was going to recommend a “Les Trem”… but it seems Stewart MacDonald has discontinued them, but they do show up on Ebay once in a while.
its a add on trem for stop bar type guitars that require no modding what so ever!!
here is a guitar with one on it!
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