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  • #79212
    Milf Boy
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    Hello,I’m new AND greek,so excuse my english.

    I bought an EHX Holy Stain at about this time,a year ago. I dont wanna suck up,but even if this was my first EHX product,I was amazed from the price/quality factor. I moslty used the reverb,as a matter of fact ,in gigs and in studio,I used reverb in all the clean sections of the songs.. and I was like… PLEASED,DONE.

    As the time forwarded though,the 2 right knobs (bright dark warm.clean distortion fuzz) started to take off their originated positions,and as a result,the knobs started turnin 180 degrees around ,and as a result, the sound varied A LOT and I was no longer sure about whether or not it was bright or dark,or fuzz or something in between. I tried to contact service but i was said i had to ship it in a galaxy FAR FAR away.. so I tried to fix it myself. I opened it up and I saw the system with the thin aluminum bars and the little steel balls in the base of these particular knobs. I tried to fix,and even glue the knobs to the base bottom of the knob and in pre made positions but they kept coming out,and in the end, I tried to hardwire it to stay in my favorite position (warm,clean),but with no luck. From the many attempts the pedal was destroyed and I felt so stupid. And know I wanna buy a Holy Grail Plus ,but on the reverb setting it has the same knob,and I am afraid it might happen the same.

    So please answer me this. This was a particular flaw made by mistake,or is this low stamina knobs anyway? I am sorry and thank you in advance.

    #103096
    raoulduke215
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    unfortunately, you probably got a bunk pedal :doh: even ehx can’t be perfect. in general, with any pedal, the three-switch type knobs tend to go before the ‘clock-wise’ knobs. i would think that the ‘clock’ knobs on your stain worked just fine. sometimes, even the best pedal from the best manufacturer can be shoddy. factory production & all that mess…

    as far as moving forward – since you love the reverb sounds so much, i STRONGLY recommend the holy grail. the ‘plus’ version is almost ‘minus.’ at best, you’ll be asking what is plus… the standard grail is also much more pragmatic for playing on the fly (practice, gigs, etc). the grail will give you the “room” & “hall” sounds from the stain, as well as the notorious “flerb.” there is always the cathedral if you want to spring for it; get ready for some insane reverb though. :freak:

    and if you liked the fuzz sounds on the stain (i have both the grail & stain in my loop) — pick up an EHX distortion pedal. the big muff is excellent, & will give you the distortion sounds you liked in the holy stain & then some. personally, i use a russian muff :metal: & a LPB-1 booster (for lighter dirt – i.e. the OD setting on the stain). you can find some good prices on ebay for ehx pedals, new and used.

    good luck. don’t expect much technical problems with ehx pedals; sometimes the multi-effects boxes can be too big for their britches. and definitely get a holy grail :thumb:

    #103097
    Milf Boy
    Member

    Thanks for the reply. I didnt really like the distortion nor the fuzz,If I might say,only for the reason they didnt have a responsive tone on them,they were too generic.So 2 days ago I got the Bigg Muff with wicker.And I must say… OMG. The wicker setting along with the tone cut make an excellent sound. The original big muff was too “dark” and “damp”. I think thats the reason you use the LPB-1.
    And I am looking forward for the Holy Grail. I tried it and I must say I am amazed.
    As for the knobs on the holy stain,I didnt misuse them at all,so I guess it was a factory flaw.and I could have saved it by using the EHX service.

    Thanks ;)

    #103114
    raoulduke215
    Member

    yeah the combination of big muff pi w/ tone wicker & a holy grail will make you forget the holy stain even exists. excellent choices – you’re going to love the sounds you can achieve with that tandem. :clap:

    enjoy.

    fyi – if you like chorus, the small clone adds an excellent addition to the muff/grail combo.

    #103115
    Milf Boy
    Member

    Yeah,I know. But I think the small clone has made such a fuzz with Kurt Cobain,that in combination with my Jaguar and the big muff would make me look like a SMALL CLONE,if you know what I mean ;) thanx for the interest though. (I love the small clone sound but everytime I play a tune with this mother fuhrer,I think I’m ripping off the Nevermind LP )

    #103116
    raoulduke215
    Member

    to each their own. the cobain relationship with the pedal is overblown (but true) – i know what you mean. i use it sparingly.

    i play an american ’62 ri jazzmaster & a japanese Mustang. :metal:

    we’re practically playing the same rig. ha

    😆

    i also use a boss ds-1, boss bf-2, & vox wah – along with the russian muff, lpb-1, small clone, & the ehx holy grail & stain. the boss flanger goes great with the ehx reverbs. i’m shopping delay now, thinking the mxr carbon copy. also trying to find an older model, full chassis small stone. (i moved away from a line 6 multi-effects unit this summer & am building up the stomp box collection) :D

    any effects you use with your setup that excel? recommend or discourage anything?

    would like to know what another guitarist using pretty much the same setup uses/likes/etc to compare & contrast.

    thanks

    #103131
    Milf Boy
    Member

    You gotta be kiddin me.. I have the DS-2 since I was a 16 year old metalhead and I didnt really use it because of the weak distortion,but now I think its quite decent..
    I dont play metal anymore (and I am very happy about it) and I also got away from friggin Line6 this summer when I gave my digital calculat..err I mean Spider 2 for a Marshall Valvestate (not really good,but better than Line6 digitalism).
    My first 2 pedals were the Holy Stain and Zvex Fuzz Factory,and now I got the big muff. I gave the fuzz factory ,after I tamed it,but still,you have to know that whatever people say IT CAN NOT be used as your main distortion. I had it taped on my guitar and played with the feedback it gave. It was quite good and entertaining but I dont recommend it unless you have a complete set of effects and you wanna spend money on flashy things.
    As for the delay ,I think that the Boss DD2 is an all time classic,although I try to stay away from digital effects. Aaaah,the holy stain was also DSP but it didnt sound like one.

    The one thing I want to purchase after the holy grail is a Wah pedal. I have a 30 dollar one,and I dont even know its name,but like all the cheap ones,once you engage it,you have a whole bunch of TREBLE AND MIDS and it really sucks,you have any recommendations?

    ps : did you get the mustang just to put its bridge on the jazz master? Should I do the same? My Jaguar ships in 2 weeks or so :P

    #103178
    raoulduke215
    Member

    that is wild… small world… :)

    i have a usa jazz and the mustang as my backup (it is one action-packed backup though :rawk: . BUT, i did have my local shop — Philadelphia, PA — (dipintoguitars.com) install a “lock” bridge (designed for mustang) to keep the saddles in place — the low E wanted to wander. other than that slight setup, the jazz has been divine for going on a decade now. (also used to play a rickenbacker 360, but that went the way of Ebay – debt to pay 😥 )

    def. get a mustang (or another lock-tight) bridge setup on your jaguar. (unless the jaguar already has lock-tight bridge, but i do not think so)

    yeah, i have tried the Boss DD, but as you said, i’m trying to keep it analog, that’s why i think i’m going to go with the mxr carbon copy — tried out memory boy the other day and wasn’t overly impressed; there is too much modulation going on. actually won a vintage small stone on ebay last night – full chassis, 1979 serial #, i’m excited. so after delay I SHOULD be done the great pedal adventure, but it’s never really over, you just get to rest at some points along the way…

    i also have a marshall valvestate – ha – small fn world. yeah & the DS-1 (or your ds-2) next to the Russian Big Muff (or your bmuffpi w/ wicker) allows some “levels” of distortion that really make licks jump (i.e. some less abrasive distortion in a verse (DS-1) and then explode into the chorus (Big muff).

    wah pedals — my vox 841 has nice tone, but no true bypass. i’m looking into ordering the mod kit for it (about $30). without the bypass, it does suck some tone from my line; for now it’s in my backpack next to my amp. the vox 841A is essentially the same wah pedal, but WITH true bypass, and obviously more expensive. the dunlop cry baby is always a good choice, digitech makes some good wah sounds (but you’re trying to stay away from digital). my main advice is TRUE BYPASS. don’t let a pedal dictate your guitar’s sound. and wah pedals, b/c their sweeping range hits the highest highs & lowest lows, can be the biggest sucker in your effects chain. my advice would be VOX or a crybaby, make sure of ‘with true bypass.’

    keep rocking. let me know how your jag turns out. peace :thumb:


    vox 847 or 847A — not 841 — :doh: my bad

    #103249
    raoulduke215
    Member

    hey

    i really want another big muff 🙄 & i am thinking of the big muff pi w/ tone wicker, like you have.

    how would you review it – since you’re playing through similar rig & all… what i’m really looking for are some brighter muff fuzz tones, to mix with the deep, darker russian muff. & i assume the wicker is going to give me that.

    let me know what you think… thanks

    :rawk:

    #103254
    Milf Boy
    Member

    I have tried the original big muff in the past,not extencivelly though.. So I will just turn the wicker OFF and the Tone ON,so I have an original muff.

    The original muff sound is more dark and dump,even as you turn the tone towards treble.

    So,when I turn the tone OFF, the sound livens up and it has more …depth? the sound is more ALIVE. the volume boosts up ,but thats another story.

    Also,when turning the wicker ON along with the tone kill,you have an entirely different sound. The Wicker adds more Treble and Mids ,but it doesnt buzz. It livens up the sound in general.

    So,for closing,first time I heard the muff I liked it a lot,but after obtaining the one with the wicker, I dont think I would use it without the wicker setting ON.It sounds amazing. Glad to be of help ;D

    #103232
    raoulduke215
    Member

    thanks. yeah i definitely am going to get another big muff, to have 1 set at that “darker” fuzz and the other “brighter.” i figured the wicker switch really makes the treble and highs explode, just wanted your opinion (again b/c we have similar rig).

    i’ve also been considering getting a(nother) russian, sovitek muff and doing a mod to it. there’s the “creamy dreamer” or “chocolate shake” recipe. the “c.d.” mod is supposedly EXACTLY what billy corgan used on “siamese dream” :facepalm: that was just a marketing ploy. he used a russian muff, but no modification (maybe better pots or jacks, etc) — but the first time he heard the “creamy dreamer” sound was when “they” (not ehx) sent him a free one to try out. the legend grows 😆

    but anyway, from what i’ve heard from these mods, they don’t give me that higher end that i want; they just seem to increase the gain. the muff has plenty of that.

    ANYONE THAT KNOWS HOW TO MOD A RUSSIAN MUFF TO GIVE ME “BRIGHTER” TONES WHILE MAINTAINING THE GAIN PLEASE LET ME KNOW !!!

    but i think i’m going to get the b/m pi with wicker for now, because that is exactly what i’m aiming for, no mods necessary. although i do want to start being able to modify my own effects. i’m going to get a DIY stomp box kit and make my own distortion pedal. only $40 from an ebay dealer (it’s item # 200312006064) if you want to check it out. it should be fun and when you’re done will have a unique fuzz box (relatively speaking…)

    well thanks again for confirming my plan to get the b/m w/ wicker — it should give me all the distortion sounds i can possibly incorporate into my songs. :rawk:

    don’t forget to let me know how your jag turns out. FYI – sometimes jazzmasters and jaguars get some buzzing, even with a lock-tight bridge. you can get a “buzz-stop roller” to fix this. costs about $30-$40. my usa ’62 ri jazz buzzes just the smallest bit, but only on the low E, so it kinda sounds cool; it gives power chords, especially when in drop D, some extra grit. :freak: but if you hear that buzz, don’t panic. :nono: it is not uncommon with jags/jzms. first you can try, being VERY SUBTLE, lowering the soapbar pickup at the bridge (simple – just slightly tighten the screws to lower it, or loosen them to bring the pickup back up. if you still hear it, you’ll probably need the buzz-stop roller.

    i would get the lock-tight bridge, adjust the soapbars, and if you still hear buzzing, the buzz-stop roller will complete one fine fender.

    best regards – peace

    :thumb:

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