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  • #81093
    ehowie
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    Is anyone familiar with the Mothership from Pigtronix? It’s basically a synth pedal that has a really cool feature called “glide” which gives you a sliding lead synth effect like the one you hear on Gin & Juice by Snoop Dogg. Go on Youtube and look at the video by Proguitarshop and you’ll see what I mean.

    I already have the EHX Micro Synth so I don’t need another synth pedal. However, the glide feature alone makes the Mothership very tempting. Does anyone know if EHX (or anyone else) has a pedal that does just this? If not, then I think EHX would be very smart to get in ther first and make a pedal that does just this. It’s sounds like the kind of pedal EHX would make anyway!

    #113005
    julian
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    On his effectology videos, Bill Ruppert plugs a guitar into the XLR in and outs of the V256 vocoder and it gives a pretty awesome glissando effect.

    #113011
    KartoonHead
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    Portamento it is, not glissando, but no worries.

    A pedal JUST for this doesn’t exist as far as I know, but you could probably put money on the EHX lab having something like this in the pipeline. It’s right up their street.

    The V256 will get you the sound, but glide isn’t it’s only function, and the price-tag reflects as-such. Still not even half as expensive as the following however;

    Pogtronix Mothership; it is very cool, but it doesn’t do much which you couldn’t get from buying several (far far faaaaaar) cheaper pedals, other than the glide obviously, but the Ring Thing can do all the ‘intelligent ring modulator’ and whammy sounds (plus a gazillion extras), the Octave Multiplexer will get you the sub octave (again, with extras) and you can build your own square wave/sawtooth generator with mix control for about £20. I’m not saying it’s a crap product but it’s totally not worth £350.

    Hope this helps :)

    #113012
    Pablo
    Member

    I would buy this is in a heartbeat.
    They could call it the Sewing Machine or something because it stitches the notes together.

    #113018
    ehowie
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    Quote:
    On his effectology videos, Bill Ruppert plugs a guitar into the XLR in and outs of the V256 vocoder and it gives a pretty awesome glissando effect.

    Yea, I noticed that. I thought the Vocoder was just for vocals but I saw Bills video and saw that it can be used on a few different instruments. Saying that, I don’t think I would use many of the other things the Vocoder has to offer apart from the glissando.

    Kartoonhead is right as well, £350 is a lot of money for a pedal, especially if you are only going to use it for 1 feature.

    Pablo, Sewing Machine is a cool name, it matches the functions of the pedal :)
    I was trying to think of what EHX would call it if they made one, it would probably have some UFO or space theme like the Ray Gun or the Teleporter.

    I was thinking of other things they could add on to it, like reverse portamento, delay, octaves, maybe even a kind of tremolo/vibrato setting to chop it up. Of course you could use separate pedals to create these things but it would definitely be a lot of fun.

    #113022
    julian
    Moderator

    The HOG also has portamento, but since you’re unwilling to go with a Mothership, you’d probably be unwilling to go for the HOG (even though it is packed full of features.)

    The portamento on the hog is kind of quirky too, though that’s a large part of what’s fun about it.

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    Portamento it is, not glissando, but no worries.

    You just made me look up the difference between glissando and portamento. :)

    Because on a lot of synths they call portamento glide or gliss or glissando, I’ve taken to that term. I didn’t realize that portamento was a smooth slide between notes while glissando is a slide of discrete intervals.

    I’m hoping maybe taking the portamento from the V256 and putting it into a small Little Big Muff size pedal with maybe an extra effect (pitch tracking filter maybe?) that’d be pretty cool.

    #113029
    Explorer
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    Pogtronix (sic) Mothership; it is very cool, but it doesn’t do much which you couldn’t get from buying several (far far faaaaaar) cheaper pedals, other than the glide obviously, but the Ring Thing can do all the ‘intelligent ring modulator’ and whammy sounds (plus a gazillion extras), the Octave Multiplexer will get you the sub octave (again, with extras) and you can build your own square wave/sawtooth generator with mix control for about £20. I’m not saying it’s a crap product but it’s totally not worth £350.

    Hope this helps :)

    I think you’re making a mistaken assumption about what is going on in the Mothership ($475). The oscillator is *not* just some sort of signal shaping/distortion like on the Microsynth (which can sound good, don’t get me wrong); it is an actual oscillator triggered by the input signal, and which can be set to any pitch relationship with the original input.

    I own quite a few synth pedals, not just the Mothership, and there is a huge difference between those utilizing distorted and cut-down waves and those triggering an oscillator. I have never seen a DIY pedal for £20 which comes close to sounding the same. For that matter, I’ve even never seen a DIY of the SYB-3, which at this point is one of the most inexpensive true oscillator synth pedals on the secondhand market, and the SYB-5 and Behringer BSY600 are even further beyond the mad haxor skillz of the vast majority of DIY pedal builders.

    There are many pedals which claim to generate “synth” sounds, and most are just fuzz/distortion of various types. Although I’m open to considering any schematics, I seriously doubt that any £20 DIY pedal link you care to post will be anything but more of the same.

    Of course, for some, that level is enough, and if someone can’t hear the difference between a true synthesizer and fuzz/distortion, then yes, spending money on a real synth is “totally not worth it.”

    #113033
    KartoonHead
    Member

    Haha, someone got sand in their vagina.

    I think you are confused; I was referring to the voltage controlled oscillator, from what I could tell from quickly looking over the pedal it was simply a tunable drone. That’s what you can DIY for next to nothing. If it’s something else then I do apologise! As for the harmony thing you were talking about the Ring Thing can do any interval you like up to 2 octaves above or below.

    Please don’t get angry and nasty for no real reason, this is not a place for venting infantile angst.

    :)

    #113043
    julian
    Moderator

    Yeah, the oscillator’s more than a tuneable drone.

    Musically, the ring thing can do quite a bit of the same things the Mothership can, but not really tonally. It can do harmonies, whammies, and sub octaves, but not with a fat synth tone. And while you can have the oscillator track your notes, I don’t think it will do tracking ring modulation (although if you had two ring things with one set to harmony and sent that into the carrier in of the 2nd ring thing, then yes you could)

    Here’s a video of the Mothership: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faJq4BLI4_8

    As far as DIY solutions, someone made a tuner with an arduino (a 20 dollar programming board that you can mount inside projects) that has a midi out that can track your pitch. Some modification of his code plus building a ring mod and an oscillator could produce a DIY version of a Mothership.

    Back to portamento though. . . nothing will ever be as good as the real things. Even on synthesizers, it’s better to have a ribbon controller or an ondes martenot type controller to create portamento effects because otherwise the portamento has to be timed, which is never quite right.

    #113287
    Explorer
    Member

    It’s okay. You spoke in ignorance, I asked for proof where I might have been wrong, and none was forthcoming. However, your needing to be rude and infantile, and then passive aggressive, takes away a bit more from your credibility.

    I was hoping, though, that you might have been right, in terms of there being an actual DIY triggered oscillator pedal which could be assembled so inexpensively. Unfortunately, that was not to be.

    #113345
    julian
    Moderator

    A triggered oscillator could easily be built.

    But a tracking oscillator would be a bit harder, because you’d have to have a note detection circuit.

    #117441
    drkam6
    Member

    How about the upcoming SuperEgo pedal? It features glissando (I think from the HOG). How does it compare to the glissando of the V256?

    Is the glissando of the V256 polyphonic?

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