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  • April 17, 2009 at 10:52 pm #78086
    momonokey
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    I’m terribly sorry if this is redundant, but I’m new to the forums so I’m not too sure of everything out there in the threads. Basically what I’m wondering is where my POG and HOG should be placed in my signal chain. While I was experimenting I thought that post distortion sounded best, but I’ve heard that they don’t track chords well post distortion…so now I’m psyching myself out. I thought I’d turn to the community here to get some of your insights. I really do appreciate it, thanks!

    April 18, 2009 at 3:34 am #95780
    julian
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    A lot of people put them post distortion and prefer it. Right now I have mine pre-distortion.

    April 18, 2009 at 2:07 pm #95784
    Fender&EHX4ever
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    Right now I have mine pre-distortion.

    Me too. 90% of the time I prefer to place dirt after pitch shifters because the tracking of the pitch shifter is often affected by an effects used before it.

    April 18, 2009 at 5:48 pm #95793
    momonokey
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    Yeah, the tracking issue is a real concern of mine, but at the same time I’d really like to have them in front of the dirt so I can use the HOG’s freeze feature on a clean chord but then kick in the dirt on my dry signal to play over it. If I put the HOG before dirt that frozen note will be effected too. AGHHH! It is frustrating, but so satisfying too…I love thinking about signal chains and how to get the most out of them. I really appreciate the both of you throwing your two cents in, it gives me more to think about. Could you guys tell me though how badly the tracking post dirt has been for you. Does it still hold up with long drawn out chords, or does it just get all wonky with quick runs of notes?

    April 18, 2009 at 6:52 pm #95795
    asatbluesboy
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    In many cases, distortions before pitch shifters actually improve tracking, and in all cases the latter will sound clearer post-distortion.

    April 18, 2009 at 11:24 pm #95798
    momonokey
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    Yeah, I’m starting to think I’m gonna make a sandwich.
    Jekyll&Hyde;>POG>HOG>Muff
    I think that would give me the best of both worlds. I might just want to put a little overdrive into them, but the real dirt would come from the muff if I needed to kick it on.
    This brings up a new question for me though, should I put my EQ before or after my Muff? I’ve heard that EQ can go anywhere, but at the same time I hear the Muff has its own EQ characteristics so I don’t know if I should start carving my tone before or after the Muff.

    April 19, 2009 at 4:38 am #95804
    julian
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    Yeah, the tracking issue is a real concern of mine, but at the same time I’d really like to have them in front of the dirt so I can use the HOG’s freeze feature on a clean chord but then kick in the dirt on my dry signal to play over it. If I put the HOG before dirt that frozen note will be effected too. AGHHH! It is frustrating, but so satisfying too…I love thinking about signal chains and how to get the most out of them. I really appreciate the both of you throwing your two cents in, it gives me more to think about. Could you guys tell me though how badly the tracking post dirt has been for you. Does it still hold up with long drawn out chords, or does it just get all wonky with quick runs of notes?

    This is where the separate dry and effect outs can be useful.

    April 19, 2009 at 4:48 am #95806
    momonokey
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    Yeah, the tracking issue is a real concern of mine, but at the same time I’d really like to have them in front of the dirt so I can use the HOG’s freeze feature on a clean chord but then kick in the dirt on my dry signal to play over it. If I put the HOG before dirt that frozen note will be effected too. AGHHH! It is frustrating, but so satisfying too…I love thinking about signal chains and how to get the most out of them. I really appreciate the both of you throwing your two cents in, it gives me more to think about. Could you guys tell me though how badly the tracking post dirt has been for you. Does it still hold up with long drawn out chords, or does it just get all wonky with quick runs of notes?

    This is where the separate dry and effect outs can be useful.

    Are you referring to the actual dry line out on the back of the HOG? Would I need some sort of ABY switcher to merge those two signals back together? Sorry, just trying to visualize what you mean.

    November 4, 2012 at 12:37 am #118353
    MattInVegas
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    Add a Freeze pedal after the HOG.

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