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    Hey there. i have here a vintage deluxe electric mistress. it was given to me a while ago and last time i checked i believe it is a 1977 or something like that, not totally sure.
    anyhow when i first got it it came with no power adapter and has no mattery hook ups. back then i didnt know that if you hooked up the voltage polarity wrong you could fry the unit. so being stupid i tried every adapter i could think of in every polarity and could never get it to make a sound. the power input was a 1/8″ jack jsut like the small head phone type. the only sound it would make was through the direct out or the flanged out if the unit was switched off. so anyway many years and alot more electronics experience later. im trying to ressurect this pedal. ive seen all the schematics on various sites for various models and the one the closest matches my unit is this : http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=123&Itemid=26
    if you click parts layout.

    however there are some differences. 1. mine does not have an 18 volt transformer. 2. my unit has a direct out as well as a flanged out, 3. none of my 1/4′ jacks have anything connected to the grounds, only the tip connector is connected to my board if that makes any sense. and 4. my unit does not use a 6 pole switch for effect bypass, it uses a 3 pole standard stompy type switch lol. there could be more differences but im no expert when it comes to schematics. but my looking at this and testing most of the caps. resistors etc on my board they are the same.

    now, after looking at several schematics. and what not i have come to the conclusion that this pedal takes 18 volts. so i chained together 2, 9 volt batteries to get 18 volts and connected the pos and neg to the corresponding point on the boad according to the diagram i posted up top. and i got no sound initially. i re wired my jacks to the board as per a picture i saw on ebay of an 80’s model board, and still got nothing. now i have wired my jacks and switches to the board as per the diagram i linked, and now i get sound!, but its not a flanged sound. its my sorta faint guitar sound with this clicking sound when the effect is on. and after some experimentation the clicking gets faster or slower if i turn the rate dial up and down. the color dial has no effect and the range dial seems to add some what of a doubleing effect on the clicking. so i am hoping this clicking is maybe a good sign that the pedal can be salvaged. sorry for the lengthy post, but if anyone has any ideas or could help me through this that would we be sooo awsome. thanks!

    #113101

    wow. so no one has any ideas that could help me in any way??

    #113105
    electro-melx
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    I’ll take a stab at some of this for you!!

    the grounds on the jacks are made through the metal chassis of the pedal that’s why they don’t have ground wires attached.

    some DEM’s have a build in power cord (with a internal transformer) others (like yours) have a 1/8″ mini jack PSU input. The PSU is a 24v model number US24DC-100 (USA) or UK24DC-100 (UK)

    it might just be that it’s not getting enough power if you are using 18v… so try the correct 24v power supply before you mess around with anything else because it all sounds normal to me.

    … the 18v model is the original (non deluxe) electric mistress.

    #113106
    electro-melx
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    also doing this ..

    “i tried every adapter i could think of in every polarity and could never get it to make a sound”

    …could well have damaged it too…

    ..it’s almost impossible to diagnose it on a forum, it really needs a tech to look at it, although some pictures may help.

    #113121
    Scruffie
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    Hey, New here but I may be able to help a bit…

    Mainly what he said ^^^

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    1. mine does not have an 18 volt transformer. 2. my unit has a direct out as well as a flanged out, 3. none of my 1/4′ jacks have anything connected to the grounds, only the tip connector is connected to my board if that makes any sense. and 4. my unit does not use a 6 pole switch for effect bypass, it uses a 3 pole standard stompy type switch lol. there could be more differences but im no expert when it comes to schematics. but my looking at this and testing most of the caps. resistors etc on my board they are the same.

    1. Did it ever have one? Is there a hole where it might have come out?
    2. That’s normal.
    3. Makes sense
    4. That’s normal, it’s not True Bypass is all.

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    now, after looking at several schematics. and what not i have come to the conclusion that this pedal takes 18 volts. so i chained together 2, 9 volt batteries to get 18 volts and connected the pos and neg to the corresponding point on the boad according to the diagram i posted up top. and i got no sound initially. i re wired my jacks to the board as per a picture i saw on ebay of an 80’s model board, and still got nothing. now i have wired my jacks and switches to the board as per the diagram i linked, and now i get sound!, but its not a flanged sound. its my sorta faint guitar sound with this clicking sound when the effect is on. and after some experimentation the clicking gets faster or slower if i turn the rate dial up and down. the color dial has no effect and the range dial seems to add some what of a doubleing effect on the clicking. so i am hoping this clicking is maybe a good sign that the pedal can be salvaged. sorry for the lengthy post, but if anyone has any ideas or could help me through this that would we be sooo awsome. thanks!

    Can you post a gut shot of your unit? It’d be helpfull in debugging it, for now i’ll assume you have the SAD1024, EH-5150 Unit.

    There should be an onboard regulator, either a chip or some kind of diode situation, DEM powering isn’t something I know too much about i’ll admit… but it should take 18V (Actually 24, but 18 will be fine aslong as your batteries aren’t run down) and be stepped down to 15V internally by that regulator.

    The Clicking is a sign that the LFO is working, sadly, that doesn’t mean your Delay/BBD Chip has survived… but I wouldn’t give up yet, it might just need work around it.

    Do you have a Multi Meter? Post voltages for the pins of every chip and transistor, post that gut shot too.

    #113114
    electro-melx
    Moderator

    thanks for helping out scruffie … and welcome to the forum.

    #113116
    Scruffie
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    thanks for helping out scruffie … and welcome to the forum.

    Cheers Much :) I Hope I can be of some use to have around.

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