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  • October 24, 2019 at 8:46 pm #86021
    JamHandy
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    I have the 22500 Looper and its companion footswitch. I’ve been through the manual a few times and I still just don’t understand how to get started. There is a lot of YouTubes out there for marketing that tell me the that pedal supposedly can do this or do that, but the pedal is in no way intuitive to use for me.

    What I am hoping to find is a simple step-by-step instruction set that could at least get me up and running to do one single loop. Something simple like:

    Press this >> twiddle that knob >> stomp this switch >> voila, you are making a loop.

    I think the pedal is impressive by what all of the “the pedal can do this” YouTubes that are out there. But those videos don’t break it down to beginner terms for a dummy like me that has no idea where to start. Those videos show a box that has already been prepared and working and the recording is of a working unit, not how to set it up to make it work. I will also admit I am in no way a text-style learner. My reading comprehension is very low. However, I am a very fast show-me-how-to-do-it kind of guy.

    Telling me what each knob, switch or flashy light does in the manual doesn’t help me at all.

    I need it broke down to step-by-step, first time user, never seen a pedal like this before kind of level… something like:

    Do this >> then do that >> then do this and that >> then do this >> voila, we’re looping now.

    Can anyone help me?

    Or do I take the pedal back to the store, being too stupid to ever figure it out?

    Thanks

    Jam Handy
    (old guy who wasn’t born with a cell phone attached to my ear and didn’t get a PC when I was 2 years old…)

    October 30, 2019 at 2:00 pm #125615
    Flick (EHX Staff)
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    Page 3 of the 22500 manual has a guide to recording your first loop. If this is too confusing, try this:

    POWER UP THE 22500
    1. Connect the supplied AC Adapter to your wall outlet and the output plug to the power jack on the 22500.

    CHECK INSTRUMENT LEVEL
    1. Before recording a loop but while power is applied, you should hear your instrument through the 22500.
    2. Start with INPUT GAIN at 12 o’clock. Adjust your amp for more or less volume if needed.

    GO TO AN EMPTY BANK
    1. Look at the orange MEM LEDs under the LOOP A and LOOP B knobs. If both are off than both loops in the currently selected bank are empty and you can skip to the next section. Otherwise go to the next step in this section to find an empty bank.
    2. Turn the MODE/VAL knob clockwise to another BANK number where both of the MEM LEDs are off.

    START RECORDING
    1. Press the LOOP A footswitch to begin recording a loop. Play your instrument.
    2. While recording, LOOP A’s REC LED should be lit solid. If it is not lit solid, but instead blinks continuously then skip to the next section and come back to this section after you’ve completed the following section: SET UP THE LOOP MODE FOR FREEFORM LOOPING.
    3. When you are ready to end loop recording, and set loop length, press the LOOP A footswitch again.
    4. The will now play back.
    5. At this point you can press the LOOP A footswitch again to overdub onto Loop A, which records new music onto Loop A. Or you can press the LOOP B footswitch to record a second loop on Loop B.

    SET UP THE LOOP MODE FOR FREEFORM LOOPING
    1. Press the MODE/VAL knob so that the BANK LED is blinking.
    2. Turn MODE/VAL counter-clockwise so that the LOOP LED is blinking.
    3. If it reads F_nP then skip to the next section. If it reads something else then go to the next step.
    4. As you turn MODE/VAL while LOOP LED is blinking, you will see that you can select one of the four available digits. Turn MODE/VAL so that the left-most digit is blinking.
    5. Press the MODE/VAL button, left mode digit continues to blink, LOOP mode LED stops blinking.
    6. Turn MODE/VAL counter-clockwise so that this digit blinks “F”.
    7. Press the MODE/VAL knob, LOOP LED starts blinking.
    8. Turn MODE/VAL clockwise one click, now the third digit on the display should be blinking.
    9. Press the MODE/VAL knob, third digit continues to blink but LOOP mode LED stops blinking.
    10. Turn MODE/VAL counter-clockwise so that this digit blinks “n”.
    11. Press the MODE/VAL knob, LOOP LED starts blinking.
    12. Turn MODE/VAL clockwise one click, now the fourth digit on the display should be blinking.
    13. Press the MODE/VAL knob, fourth digit continues to blink but LOOP mode LED stops blinking.
    14. Turn MODE/VAL counter-clockwise so that this digit blinks “P”.

    October 30, 2019 at 6:11 pm #125616
    JamHandy
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    WOW, thank you Flick. I will try this a little bit later today when I’m in my jam room. I so want to be able to use this pedal…

    Thank you soooooo much !!!

    Jam Handy

    March 31, 2020 at 1:48 am #125967
    JamHandy
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    Here is a very helpful YouTube I found. I’ve had this Looper for over a year and still haven’t made Loop – 1 with it. The pedal is not intuitive whatsoever, none of the controls are intuitive, and except for this one video (so far) all of the videos on YouTube are of the marketing type (the pedal can do this, this, and this) which is super impressive, until you get the thing in your hands and its about impossible to figure out trying to translate text/words into a visual HOW TO… I might actually be able to make my first loop after watching this video. I have a feeling there are a lot of people getting sucked in to purchase this thing from the handy marketing videos, but rush right back to the store as soon as they see how damned complicated the thing is to figure out. I’m just stubborn (and stupid) and I refuse to give up. Sitting down tonight with a small amount of self esteem, sent me to YouTube and this video…

    March 31, 2020 at 1:58 am #125968
    JamHandy
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    ps. The EHX Staff text explanation did me zero good, still clear as mud after reading yet even more text. Many people do not learn by reading, they (like me) learn by doing… we’ll see if this YouTube helps or I throw the pedal (bought brand new and never figured out) in the 2nd hand market as well as my opinion about over-engineered EHX stuff. I really want it to work, but I have zero faith I am smart enough to figure it out without someone simply saying…

    >>> turn this knob >> push this button >>> voila, you’re looping… there is nothing even remotely similar to that in the manual.

    IMHO, the manual is just for more marketing purposes… telling people “it can do this” and “it can do that” –but no where has it any step-by-step “how to” like you’d think an instruction manual might include…

    — Someone needs to take a lesson from the old TASCAM multi-track tape deck manuals… you couldn’t go wrong because TASCAM used the well-written English language to explain step-by-step very plainly what each feature did…

    IMHO, you’d sell a hell of a lot more of these things if you’d publish a better, well-written manual to go along with it

    Unless you can supply a pill or drug that can make the buyer be a mind reader of the engineer… but unless telekinesis is possible, I don’t see any way possible the manual is worth the price you paid some person to write it, then to mass print it… yikes… what kind of dollars did you pay for this total crap manual?

    yikes…

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