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  • #79524
    blackdog
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    I am looking at getting either or perhaps both the Micro Synthesizer and Hog if they are different.

    Would like some advice as to the difference.

    Is the Micro Synthesizer is a subset of the Hog or are the completely different?

    How about the POG2, is this is a subset of the Hog or are they completely different

    By different, I mean the end result of using the effect.

    #105362
    companyman
    Participant

    POG and HOG are digital and polyphonic (can track chords) and the Microsynth is analog and is monophonic (can only track single notes). There are many other differences, but this is the big difference.

    #105368
    blackdog
    Participant

    thanks, that is a really good explaination

    #105370
    julian
    Moderator

    HOG:
    Polyphonic
    Voices: -2, -1, original, +5th, +1, +1 + 5th, +2, +2 + 3rd, +3, +4
    footswitchable 2 band Attack Decay Volume Envelope control
    Low pass filter with Q.
    Expression modes: octave bend, step bend, volume, wah, filter, freeze gliss, freeze volume
    other stuff: spectral gate, presets with optional pedal

    POG2:
    Polyphonic
    Voices: -2, -1, original, +1, +2
    Low pass filter with Q
    1 band attack volume control
    other stuff: detuning for +octaves or + and original octaves, built in presets

    Microsynth:
    Monophonic
    voices: -1, +1, square, original
    1 band attack volume control
    attack filter with controllable start/stop and sweep speed

    to sum it up:

    the main draw of the POG2 is that it’s polyphonic, has basic voices, built in presets, and a simple volume attack control and filter with detuned settings. Makes for good organ and other type sounds.

    The main draw of the HOG is the multitude of the voices, the expression mode, and the much more versatile volume attack decay control.

    The main draw of the Microsynth is the fat analog synth like sound (and many analog synths were monophonic) mixed with the awesome awesome filter. There aren’t any pedals out there that do what the Microsynth’s filter does. Most filter pedals don’t really have smooth sweeps, and they die out when your volume dies out. But the Microsynth filter is only triggered by your attack instead of following it, so it doesn’t have those sometimes bothersome quirks.

    #105382
    diegoarts
    Member

    Hi,
    reviving this thread again, as i’m in the same dilemma – chosing POG2 or HOG.
    I use the Digitech Whammy for Octave bends a lot and i’ve seen vids, which made me believe, that the HOG could do this even better and a lot more!
    A few questions to HOG users or staff:

    1. The attack sliders of the HOG produce a volume swell sound like in the POG2 ?! slow AND fast?

    2. Is there any other chance of getting and dialing in presets than to get the (very expensive) 6xfootswitch (i saw/read, that it’s plugged in via a normal 1/4″ jack, could you use just a normal footswitch to switch from preset to preset?) ?

    3. do you think or know – will there be a HOG2 in a smaller housing and maybe with a kind of hazarai switch like on the SMMH or the POG2 ?

    4. is it very hard to deal with the HOG in regards of volume differences from setting to setting?

    your help would be very much apprechiated! thanks a lot

    diego

    #105384
    Fender&EHX4ever
    Moderator
    Quote:
    Hi,
    reviving this thread again, as i’m in the same dilemma – chosing POG2 or HOG.
    I use the Digitech Whammy for Octave bends a lot and i’ve seen vids, which made me believe, that the HOG could do this even better and a lot more!
    A few questions to HOG users or staff:

    1. The attack sliders of the HOG produce a volume swell sound like in the POG2 ?! slow AND fast?

    Yes, there is an attack envelope to do swells. The swell time is less than a second, but long enough to do convincing string instruments.

    2. Is there any other chance of getting and dialing in presets than to get the (very expensive) 6xfootswitch (i saw/read, that it’s plugged in via a normal 1/4″ jack, could you use just a normal footswitch to switch from preset to preset?) ?

    No. The HOG footswitch has a circuit. Each switch sends a unique signal to the HOG to trigger its preset memory.

    3. do you think or know – will there be a HOG2 in a smaller housing and maybe with a kind of hazarai switch like on the SMMH or the POG2 ?

    A few months ago one of the EHX staff said that it was unlikely that we’d see an XO HOG, but who really knows? Personally, I like the large format of the HOG. It gives it more of a synthesizer feel, and it makes the controls easier to manipulate in real time

    4. is it very hard to deal with the HOG in regards of volume differences from setting to setting?

    No. There is an output level slider.

    #105386
    diegoarts
    Member
    Quote:
    Quote:
    Hi,
    reviving this thread again, as i’m in the same dilemma – chosing POG2 or HOG.
    I use the Digitech Whammy for Octave bends a lot and i’ve seen vids, which made me believe, that the HOG could do this even better and a lot more!
    A few questions to HOG users or staff:

    1. The attack sliders of the HOG produce a volume swell sound like in the POG2 ?! slow AND fast?

    Yes, there is an attack envelope to do swells. The swell time is less than a second, but long enough to do convincing string instruments.

    2. Is there any other chance of getting and dialing in presets than to get the (very expensive) 6xfootswitch (i saw/read, that it’s plugged in via a normal 1/4″ jack, could you use just a normal footswitch to switch from preset to preset?) ?

    No. The HOG footswitch has a circuit. Each switch sends a unique signal to the HOG to trigger its preset memory.

    3. do you think or know – will there be a HOG2 in a smaller housing and maybe with a kind of hazarai switch like on the SMMH or the POG2 ?

    A few months ago one of the EHX staff said that it was unlikely that we’d see an XO HOG, but who really knows? Personally, I like the large format of the HOG. It gives it more of a synthesizer feel, and it makes the controls easier to manipulate in real time

    4. is it very hard to deal with the HOG in regards of volume differences from setting to setting?

    No. There is an output level slider.

    thanks for the reply. very interesting really. one last Q: the attack sliders dial in the swell time right? and the slowest is <1sec?
    the size is in fact not the problem, only te preset button of the POG2 is very great i think!

    #105789
    dEANdEESE
    Participant

    I am trying to choose between the HOG and POG2. Is the HOG capable of achieving the sounds of the POG2 as well as the extra settings that it can do above and beyond?

    I find myself wanting about 12 EHX pedals or so and I must narrow it down. I am mainly after “strings” effects

    Thanks Much

    #105791
    julian
    Moderator

    The only thing that the HOG can’t do that the POG2 can is the slightly detuned octaves mixed with normal octaves, which helps a lot in the organ sound.

    #105994
    Josh33
    Member
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    The only thing that the HOG can’t do that the POG2 can is the slightly detuned octaves mixed with normal octaves, which helps a lot in the organ sound.

    just wanted to say, that this thread has been very helpful! im in the same boat, i have a microsytnh and currently have a POG but am looking at getting a HOG to take the place of both. just a suggestion, about the detuned octave issue: you could also use some type of chorus pedal, and maybe drive the HOG. i dont have a HOG (yet) but judging by the way the POG reacts, im sure you could get some similar results! i love my POG, and the microsynth was cool, but the tracking was horrible, and i didnt find the pedal very usable in the type of music that i write. hopefully the HOG will be what i need!

    #106006
    julian
    Moderator

    I don’t know if I’d get a HOG to replace a POG and a Microsynth. Depends on what you use each one for, but IMO the filter sweep on the Microsynth is to die for. I have a HOG and want to get a Microsynth just for that.

    #106022
    Josh33
    Member

    well, i already got rid of my microsynth, just not a big fan of it. it was defintily cool, but nothing i would ever use for. i feel that the HOG is more usable for the music i write, i may still keep the POG, or at least hold onto it until i see how i like the HOG!

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