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February 19, 2011 at 6:11 am #114383julianModerator
The Eventide Space sounds really cool, I love the demos of it I heard. That said, it’s super expensive.
The Cathedral I’ve never tried, but I really want one now. I saw Deerhoof and their guitarist Ed Rodriguez was using one and his guitar parts sounded great.
I’ve never played a POG2. I briefly owned a POG that I won in a proguitarshop contest, but because I owned a HOG already, I sold the POG. The detune feature is nice on the POG, but it’s not an absolutely necessity.
I absolutely love the polyphonic whammy capability of the HOG. And the freeze gliss mode is killer. If you half-cock the expression pedal, you’ll get the notes constantly glissing and it gives this weird eastern slimy sounding reverb that’s pretty awesome.
The spectral gate on the HOG can be very useful as well. It takes the harmonics out of your guitar signal so that the octaves don’t sound like guitar octaves.
The attack/decay controls allow for more possibilities- you can set different attack times for the low and high voices. You can also set them to decay quicker, which is nice.
The other expression modes and the switch for the envelope on/off are nice. I don’t really use the expression footswitch much, because I use the expression pedal. I wish they would have wired that up to do something more useful.
Since I’m guessing you like shoegaze (Since you have the devi ever shoegazer) I think the HOG would be perfect for that. One thing that’s fun is running it in parallel with a straight fuzz sound. You can get these sort of whalesong and flute sounds from the HOG on one channel (maybe with a little tremolo and verb for added shimmer) while in the other channel you’ve got a straight fuzz sound. I believe I’ve got some clips on my soundclick site (check my sig)
Another thing with the HOG is that if you have the foot controller (I don’t, I need to get one) you could call up multiple presets in a song, in any order you want, which could be useful for live performance. Cycling through them on the POG2 could sound cool though too.
POG2 might have better tracking/less latency since it’s neweer. I’m not sure about that. I never really notice the latency on the HOG, but complicated chords- while they don’t really glitch- they can sound pretty messy. Your typical majors, minors, and 7ths all sound pretty good though. I play a lot of weird tunings, so that’s where I get that from.
I have an SMMH myself. I like it, I don’t find myself using it much for anything outside of verb (which it doesn’t do that great) and looping. I’m thinking about getting a Cathedral and putting the SMMH on my synth board. Although if I get a new looper (that Vox one looks sweet, and also I’ve wanted a 2880 forever) & I get a Deluxe Memory Boy (or make my own delay), then maybe I’ll part with the SMHM. Or just put it on my synth board.
February 19, 2011 at 4:50 pm #114389freezerguyMemberQuote:The Eventide Space sounds really cool, I love the demos of it I heard. That said, it’s super expensive.The Cathedral I’ve never tried, but I really want one now. I saw Deerhoof and their guitarist Ed Rodriguez was using one and his guitar parts sounded great.
I’ve never played a POG2. I briefly owned a POG that I won in a proguitarshop contest, but because I owned a HOG already, I sold the POG. The detune feature is nice on the POG, but it’s not an absolutely necessity.
I absolutely love the polyphonic whammy capability of the HOG. And the freeze gliss mode is killer. If you half-cock the expression pedal, you’ll get the notes constantly glissing and it gives this weird eastern slimy sounding reverb that’s pretty awesome.
The spectral gate on the HOG can be very useful as well. It takes the harmonics out of your guitar signal so that the octaves don’t sound like guitar octaves.
The attack/decay controls allow for more possibilities- you can set different attack times for the low and high voices. You can also set them to decay quicker, which is nice.
The other expression modes and the switch for the envelope on/off are nice. I don’t really use the expression footswitch much, because I use the expression pedal. I wish they would have wired that up to do something more useful.
Since I’m guessing you like shoegaze (Since you have the devi ever shoegazer) I think the HOG would be perfect for that. One thing that’s fun is running it in parallel with a straight fuzz sound. You can get these sort of whalesong and flute sounds from the HOG on one channel (maybe with a little tremolo and verb for added shimmer) while in the other channel you’ve got a straight fuzz sound. I believe I’ve got some clips on my soundclick site (check my sig)
Another thing with the HOG is that if you have the foot controller (I don’t, I need to get one) you could call up multiple presets in a song, in any order you want, which could be useful for live performance. Cycling through them on the POG2 could sound cool though too.
POG2 might have better tracking/less latency since it’s neweer. I’m not sure about that. I never really notice the latency on the HOG, but complicated chords- while they don’t really glitch- they can sound pretty messy. Your typical majors, minors, and 7ths all sound pretty good though. I play a lot of weird tunings, so that’s where I get that from.
I have an SMMH myself. I like it, I don’t find myself using it much for anything outside of verb (which it doesn’t do that great) and looping. I’m thinking about getting a Cathedral and putting the SMMH on my synth board. Although if I get a new looper (that Vox one looks sweet, and also I’ve wanted a 2880 forever) & I get a Deluxe Memory Boy (or make my own delay), then maybe I’ll part with the SMHM. Or just put it on my synth board.
Thanks at lot, Julian!
Yep, Deerhoof are absolutely stunning live, saw them a few months ago.The Cathedral is pretty damn amazing too, (especially reverse reverb on the infinite mode!) for textures and soundscapes. I would recommend it. But I now happen to have GAS for the Space and wonder if having the two might not be overkill…
I’ve also been on the fence for a HOG for a while but could never afford it at the time. Recently, there have been some good bundle offers for the HOG that sparked my interest when I was originally looking for a POG 2. (If I sold some stuff on, I could get the HOG for nearly the same price as the POG 2.
The problem is that the HOG (with footswitch and exp takes up so much real estate on the board that I’d have to get rid of something else to make room. Plus, people are already talking about a potential HOG 2… now if new version of the HOG (ideally smaller, multiple freezes and exp modes simultaneously + midi) would actually already be on the horizon, I’d rather get a POG 2 now and wait for the HOG 2.
Can anyone here recall the release dates for the POG, POG 2 and HOG, by any chance? Thanks!
February 20, 2011 at 6:03 am #114403julianModeratorThe HOG 2 is just idle wishing as of right now.
EHX hasn’t really given any hints about an upcoming Octave Generator series pedal. Unless Mike Matthews lets something drop in an interview, they’re pretty hush-hush about upcoming products.
I’m guessing here, but I think the POG came out 2004, HOG in 2006, Micro POG in 2008, and POG2 in 2009.
Real-estate’s never a big deal with me. Worse comes to worse, I can always make myself a bigger board.
February 21, 2011 at 6:14 pm #114424freezerguyMemberQuote:The HOG 2 is just idle wishing as of right now.EHX hasn’t really given any hints about an upcoming Octave Generator series pedal. Unless Mike Matthews lets something drop in an interview, they’re pretty hush-hush about upcoming products.
I’m guessing here, but I think the POG came out 2004, HOG in 2006, Micro POG in 2008, and POG2 in 2009.
Real-estate’s never a big deal with me. Worse comes to worse, I can always make myself a bigger board.
You might be right. Btw, your demo vids are pretty good, thank you for sharing these – quite helpful!
As I don’t own any of these pedals yet, it kinda hard for me to work out what exactly the ‘gliss’ stands for…Is there a difference between the freeze/gliss mode on the Hog and the Freeze pedal? Thanks!February 22, 2011 at 12:39 pm #114415melxMemberQuote:You might be right. Btw, your demo vids are pretty good, thank you for sharing these – quite helpful!
As I don’t own any of these pedals yet, it kinda hard for me to work out what exactly the ‘gliss’ stands for…Is there a difference between the freeze/gliss mode on the Hog and the Freeze pedal? Thanks!‘Gliss’ is short for ‘Glissando’
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glissando
it’s a musical term…. and no, the freeze pedal can’t do it.
February 23, 2011 at 7:58 pm #114455freezerguyMemberthanks, melx!
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