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  • #78891
    jjtguitar
    Member

    Hi,
    I’ve checked out the specs of the HOG and the POG and the POG2 and the Micro Pog, and am I right in thinking that the HOG can do everything the others can do, plus more? Is there anything the others can do that the HOG can’t?
    thanks,
    jjtguitar

    #101102
    julian
    Moderator

    HOG doesn’t have detuned sliders. That’s it really.

    #101103
    ghost
    Member

    I’ve owned all three. If I could go back I’d stick with the micro Pog honestly…. And I’ a very hands-on-the-pedal sort of guy…

    #101104
    julian
    Moderator

    I want a HOG with even more features. Full midi CC control over everything, detune, more freeze modes, 2 octave bends, adjustable bends (toe up = down a 4th, toe down = up a 5th, that kind of stuff,) and whatever else could be done.

    #101127
    BlueSteel
    Participant

    If the hog had detune, i would so get it instead of a pog 2.

    #103584
    PanicProne
    Participant

    bringin an old thread back to life..oh well, better than creating a new one right? been thinking about upgrading my micro POG for a POG2 but have got a bit of GAS going for the HOG, so, exactly what is the difference between pog and hog? Is the hog just a pog with more features or is it a whole different animal? I mean, if you where to build a hog from scratch, would you “start with building a pog and then adding the rest”? I know this is the ehx-forums but honest answers please, if I get a HOG will I be needing the POG2 also or would the HOG do me fine? I’ve used my micro POG a heck of a lot since I got it and achieved nice organs sounds etc. But nice can always get nicer right?

    #103585
    korgi
    Member

    i have a micro pog and have owned a pog 1 and a hog (both of which have gone now) and although it has less features, there is just something about the micro pog that is better than all the others….it just seems to have a better sound (to my ears) and is much more practical and useful at gigs. i also found it sounds better with other effects added.
    i can’t tell you why it sounds better, cos im sure they are all built from the same stuff :p

    but that said….i haven’t tried a pog 2 yet…..and i want an extra pog, so maybe i will give one a go!

    #103588
    julian
    Moderator

    Micro POG
    ___________
    Knobs:
    Octave Up
    Octave Down
    Clean
    Ins/outs”
    Input, output, dry out

    POG
    __________
    Sliders:
    Input gain
    Dry output
    Octave down
    Octave
    Octave + Detuned
    2 octaves + detune
    Low pass filter (controls the cutoff value)
    Switches:
    LPF modes (filter resonance, q)
    Outputs:
    input, output, dry out

    POG2
    __________
    Sliders:
    2 Octaves Down
    Octave Down
    Octave Up
    2 Octaves Up
    Dry
    Attack (makes the effect volume swell after you pick it)
    LP Filter (controls the cutoff value)
    Switches:
    Dry FX- changes whether the detune and filter effect the dry signal or not
    Q- same as on POG LPF Modes
    Presets:
    8 presets, accessible with the preset knob or the preset stompswitch
    Outputs:
    Input/Output- no dry out

    HOG
    ___________
    sliders:
    Input Gain
    Dry
    Original (same octave as your dry signal, but can be subject to the different FX)
    -2 octaves
    -1 octave
    a 5th
    1 octave
    1 octave + a 5th
    2 octaves
    2 octaves + a 3rd
    3 octaves
    4 octaves
    attack decay 1 (controls -2, -1, original, a 5th, 1)
    attack decay 2 (controls 2 through 4) (Attack/decay allows you to make notes swell in or fade quickly)
    low pass filter
    low pass filter resonance
    switches:
    spectral gate (alters the harmonic content of the signal, to get more sine-wave like tones)
    expression reverse: (changes the direction that the expression pedal works, also allows you to bend notes down)
    expression: (changes expression modes- 1 octave bends, 1 step bends, volume, wah, filter, freeze + gliss, freeze +
    volume)
    Envelope foot switch: turns on/off the attack decay
    expression foot switch: acts like pushing down on the expression pedal.
    presets:
    if you get the preset pedal, you can have six
    ins/outs:
    input, output, dry out, midi, expression, presets

    The HOG is freaking awesome.
    The selling point is really the expression modes for me. Bending full chords, freezing stuff. Plus all the other controls are icing on the cake.

    #105113
    diegoarts
    Member

    Hi,
    reviving this thread again, as i’m in the same dilemma – chosing POG2 or HOG.
    I use the Digitech Whammy for Octave bends a lot and i’ve seen vids, which made me believe, that the HOG could do this even better and a lot more!
    A few questions to HOG users or staff:

    1. The attack sliders of the HOG produce a volume swell sound like in the POG2 ?!

    2. Is there any other chance of getting and dialing in presets than to get the (very expensive) 6xfootswitch (i saw/read, that it’s plugged in via a normal 1/4″ jack, could you use just a normal footswitch to switch from preset to preset?) ?

    3. do you think or know – will there be a HOG2 in a smaller housing and maybe with a kind of hazarai switch like on the SMMH or the POG2 ?

    4. is it very hard to deal with the HOG in regards of volume differences from setting to setting?

    your help would be very much apprechiated! thanks a lot

    diego

    #109330
    Imerkat
    Member

    I got a quick questions for staff or whomever knows. what does the detune on the POG2 do exactly? heard how it sounds but what exactly is it doing? i feel stupid asking but it the manual all it says is:
    DETUNE Slider – Controls the amount of detune applied to the +1 and +2 OCTAVE signals. As the DETUNE slider is pushed up both the depth and rate of detune are increased

    I’m not a pedal designer but that feature is the only deciding factor between the POG and the HOG. Thanks for your time

    #109339
    Imerkat
    Member

    Well now i’m all confused. So does the pedal detune slide add another signal out of tune to the dry signal/octaves up or detunes the dry signal/octaves; kinda like holding down slightly on a tremolo arm of a guitar or what?

    If the HOG had this feature my choice would be easy

    #109342
    Snufkino
    Member

    I’m confused by all the detail here.

    Anyway, for what it’s worth I’ve owned a HOG and you can mess about with the control knob on the side of the expression pedal to make it detune half-steps and anywhere inbetween rather than a standard full step up or down…I think…if I remember correctly. Sorry I’m not being much help.

    And for what it’s worth, I wasn’t that keen on the Micro Pog purely because of the fact that it only runs at 9v compared to the Pog’s 18v which allows for way more headroom.Which basically means you can get alot more volume which I find invaluable for boosting the sub-octave. The Micro Pog’s sub octave just doesn’t get high enough. I noticed the Pog2 is the same. Shame.

    #109346
    electro-melx
    Moderator
    Quote:
    I’m confused by all the detail here.

    Anyway, for what it’s worth I’ve owned a HOG and you can mess about with the control knob on the side of the expression pedal to make it detune half-steps and anywhere inbetween rather than a standard full step up or down…I think…if I remember correctly. Sorry I’m not being much help.

    And for what it’s worth, I wasn’t that keen on the Micro Pog purely because of the fact that it only runs at 9v compared to the Pog’s 18v which allows for way more headroom.Which basically means you can get alot more volume which I find invaluable for boosting the sub-octave. The Micro Pog’s sub octave just doesn’t get high enough. I noticed the Pog2 is the same. Shame.

    yeah you’re right the micropog will only produce the dry and octaves at unity volume, you can’t boost any of the octaves (or the dry) I don’t think it’s a 9v thing, I think it’s just the way it was designed to operate.

    #109347
    electro-melx
    Moderator
    Quote:
    Well now i’m all confused. So does the pedal detune slide add another signal out of tune to the dry signal/octaves up or detunes the dry signal/octaves; kinda like holding down slightly on a tremolo arm of a guitar or what?

    If the HOG had this feature my choice would be easy

    It just makes the octave slightly out of tune with the dry signal, for a warbly effect.

    #114378
    freezerguy
    Member

    Hey guys, this is a really useful thread so far, thanks!… maybe there are some HOG/POG2 users around who could help with these fairly specific questions for ambient/etheral/drone guitar…

    [(+) = I don’t currently own this, but consider buying; (-) = I currently own this, but consider selling/replacing]

    Contemplating updates to my rig, there are the following scenarios for a future setup:

    A) Amp < Mixer < Boss RC-50 < EHX Cathedral (-) < EHX Stereo Memory Man w/Hazarai (-) < Ibanez DE7 (-) < Line6 MM4 (-) < Fender Vol/Tone < EHX POG2 (+) < EHX Freeze < DeviEver Shoegazer < Boss DF2 < VFM Bumblebee (Compressor) < Guitar B) Amp < Mixer < Boss RC-50 < Eventide Space (+) < Ibanez DE7 (-) < Fender Vol/Tone < EHX HOG (+) < EHX Freeze < DeviEver Shoegazer < Boss DF2 < VFM Bumblebee (Compressor) < Guitar As you can see, the middle section of the chain (octaver, modulation, delay, reverb) is where the change is going to happen, whereas start (comp, dirt, freeze) and end of the chain (looper, mixer, amp) remain the same. Although I know roughly what I would like to do and how to get there, it would be great to have some additional opinions on this. Perhaps you have been using some of these pedals and would like to discuss/share your thoughts on these setups. I hope this helps me decide what to buy, what to keep and what to sell… Questions: 1) Effectiveness VS. budget trade-off: less dirt , or less freeze, or less modulation, or less delay, or less reverb?? 2) HOG VS. POG2: expression modes, detune slider…. What other differences are there between the two and how important are they to you? 3) Is the HOG worth its extra cost (and real estate) against the POG2, or would you get a POG2 and wait for the HOG2? 4) I know this isn’t exactly the right forum but does anyone know anything about the SPACE, (except for that it’s bloody awesome and expensive), particularly in comparison with what a HOG + SPACE VS. POG2 + Stereo MemMan + Cathedral would be capable of? 5) Versatility VS. tone suck, etc: what would be the pros, cons, differences, and/or overlap in these scenarios? Many thanks for your help!

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