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February 19, 2009 at 11:13 pm #77772DeyeMofoMember
Howdy,
I have been looking at the HOG Guitar Synth as a must buy recently.
I play bass and like to make a lot of synthy, glitchy, buzzy, mean, weird noise for texture here and there.
Questions are:
Does the HOG track bass well for the octave effects?
Are there seperate outputs for my dry (bass signal) and the effected signal? I’d like to send the octave ups to a guitar amp.
Why only one output for the effected signal? What guitar or bass cabinet can handle the frequencey range of this bad boy?I am thinking of using the HOG to split my bass signal between my bass rig (Ampeg SVP Pro preamp, Crown 1000w power amp, Ampeg 8×10″ cab) and my guitar/effects noise rig (Peavey 5150, Mesa Boogie 4×12″). Is this doable in a live setting?
Here is a link to the music I play.
http://www.myspace.com/fromthisweescapeFebruary 19, 2009 at 11:23 pm #93619julianModeratorHOG tracks bass well IMO
There is a dry output
rejoice!
February 20, 2009 at 4:40 am #93648DeyeMofoMemberQuote:HOG tracks bass well IMOThere is a dry output
rejoice!
Any chance of there ever being seperate “octave up” and “octave down” effected outputs, through either modification or future versions of the pedal? This isn’t a crucial point immediately, but like I said, what guitar amp could handle such a wide frequency? The effect almost demands going straight to PA.
February 20, 2009 at 5:05 am #93652julianModeratorYou’d think so, but an amp with a good cab works wonderfully with a HOG. I have a Bassman 135 with a homemade cab with two 12″ Texas Heats. It rules.
I don’t know if EHX would have one with split outs, it already has so many features. But I would imagine a crossover would be nice with it.
I did suggest a super HOG here though, and EH staff member Rick replied: https://www.ehx.com/forums/viewthread/92/
add any suggestions you might haveFebruary 20, 2009 at 5:20 am #93654DeyeMofoMemberQuote:You’d think so, but an amp with a good cab works wonderfully with a HOG. I have a Bassman 135 with a homemade cab with two 12″ Texas Heats. It rules.I don’t know if EHX would have one with split outs, it already has so many features. But I would imagine a crossover would be nice with it.
I just can’t imagine running a bass signal (original or guitar through two octave down) through my 5150, for instance, nor running that four octave up through my Ampeg and getting a desired result.
Maybe split outputs would be difficult or impossible, depending on the circuitry, but an internal crossover into dual outputs would be very nice.
February 20, 2009 at 7:58 am #93662julianModeratorI don’t think it would be difficult for them to do.
As for desired results, it largely depends on your cabinet. Ampegs you usually run what: an 8×10 or a 1×15 or bigger and a 4×10? That’d handle the HOG fine. Now if you’re going through a single 15″ or wider speaker, I could see problems (though some 15″ speakers are surprisingly bright)
On a guitar cabinet, you’d probably get the best results with a 4×12, but a 4×10, 2×12, or 2×10 would all work fine.
February 20, 2009 at 11:05 am #93673DeyeMofoMemberQuote:I don’t think it would be difficult for them to do.As for desired results, it largely depends on your cabinet. Ampegs you usually run what: an 8×10 or a 1×15 or bigger and a 4×10? That’d handle the HOG fine. Now if you’re going through a single 15″ or wider speaker, I could see problems (though some 15″ speakers are surprisingly bright)
On a guitar cabinet, you’d probably get the best results with a 4×12, but a 4×10, 2×12, or 2×10 would all work fine.
Not to be disagreeable, but isn’t there a reason that guitar amps are 100w and bass amps are 1400w?
Maybe it’s my lack of imagination, but one amp and speaker effectively and evenly reproducing tones that are two octaves down and four octaves up (and plenty inbetween) seems like quite a strain.
Isn’t that why PAs have different sized speakers and crossovers and the like?
I guess I can’t knock it before I try it.
February 20, 2009 at 6:39 pm #93705julianModeratorThe reason bass amps are much higher wattage is because all speakers don’t have as good as response in the lowest bass octave as they do in the lowest guitar octave. That doesn’t mean a guitar amp at 100 watts won’t have enough response for the bass frequency of the HOG. Now you wouldn’t want to use it to imitate bass through a guitar amp in a 3+ piece band, because you wouldn’t get the kind of response you desire as a bassist, but for recording or for a 2 piece or for just fattening up riffs while the bassist does something else- it’s got the right response and it will stand out. A good thing to remember about speakers is that octaves and harmonics don’t really clash with each other, so they aren’t going to give you a screwy response. You aren’t going to hear beats or tearing speaker sound (though you can if you want with the pitch bends.)
As for crossovers- you don’t really need them, but you can use them to really fine tune your frequency response, and to handle more complex signals better. Especially when you mix in percussion.
But even with a looper and the HOG it’s hard to hit the speaker cab with something too complex for it.
On some 15″ bass speakers, I could see a problem in a lot of the highs being kind of hushed, but a lot of bassists who use 15″ speakers usually also have 10″s because rock and funk bassists need highs just as much as guitarists (jazz bassists not necessarily, but they be weird)
February 20, 2009 at 10:53 pm #93741McHavenModeratorBass cabs have a much better handling frequency range. I wouldn’t be concerned about running 4 octaves up from my bass into my cab. Much more of a full spectrum.
February 21, 2009 at 9:12 pm #93774SiriustarMemberYeah, bass amps are often used by keyboard players, because they have such a wide frequency response. Hell, I used to play guitar out of my bass amp. Sounded fine.
Sometimes, I do this: guitar > Micro POG (also has a dry out) and then run the dry into other pedals, then guitar amp, and the effect into the bass amp.
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