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February 3, 2009 at 6:10 am #92536PumpkinPiecesMember
While we’re on the topic, are digital ehx effects like my good ole SMMH true bypass? When i hear digital, I think buffered, and that totally fucks with my fuzzes. That’s why I never use boss pedals.
I think as far as ods/distortions/fuzzes, they should stay analogue. But I’ve played with the #1 echo and micro pog and it sounded just fine. The only thing is digital isn’t as spontaneous, it’s very precise and exact usually. Thats what charms me with analogue is there’s always that small (tiny) factor it could do something amazing at the right time. Example: Blue Box.
February 3, 2009 at 9:14 am #92539julianModeratorBitcrushing fuzz can be digital! That’s sort of the point
Also this is sort of an interesting distortion that’s digital called the Soundblox Multiwave Distortion- it works on a principle not used in any analog distortions, so it sounds kind of unique instead of lamely imitating anything. I’m not a huge fan of the sound, but my point is that digital could be used to achieve a fuzz tone that couldn’t be achieved before. Maybe a digital polyphonic PWM fuzz could be done. I don’t know.
Here’s what Mike Matthews had to say in an interview about the SMMH:
Digital makes sense for time-based effects, but do you see non time-based effects entering this realm in the future?
To a certain degree I do. Consider what we have out already — the POG and the HOG are both non-time-based effects that are completely digital. They are both basically pitch shifters, so they’re unique compared to what’s out there. Even though EH will probably have a finger in every sort of technology — tubes, transistors and digital — I definitely see us heading in a direction where we’ll be writing more software for our DSPs, and the software won’t necessarily be delays, flangers or choruses, but other interesting effects that are mathematically intensive and therefore hard to produce in the analog world.Do you think distortion effects and overdrives will remain analog or do you ever see that going digital, too?
I do see it going digital, but not 100 percent. We’ll still be making analog distortions like the Big Muff, the Muff Overdrive, the Metal Muff and the English Muff’n. Tube and transistor distortions need to use analog circuitry for that particular sound. We don’t really have much interest in modeling something like the Big Muff or coming up with a digital version of it, but we would be interested in coming up with a different type of distortion that can only be done digitally.February 3, 2009 at 9:30 am #92540electro-melxModeratorQuote:While we’re on the topic, are digital ehx effects like my good ole SMMH true bypass? When i hear digital, I think buffered, and that totally fucks with my fuzzes. That’s why I never use boss pedals.I think as far as ods/distortions/fuzzes, they should stay analogue. But I’ve played with the #1 echo and micro pog and it sounded just fine. The only thing is digital isn’t as spontaneous, it’s very precise and exact usually. Thats what charms me with analogue is there’s always that small (tiny) factor it could do something amazing at the right time. Example: Blue Box.
I think prefer buffered pedals. I wish all pedals had high quality signal buffers/regulators on the in’s and outs, I believe you’d get far less problems with volume drop, fuzz pedal incompatabilities, pedals not working very well with different pickups, switch popping etc……I don’t know how much that would add to the price of a pedal though. True Bypass is nonsense, the only time you’d have a TB signal is when all your pedals are turned off….and how often does that happen? 😆
February 3, 2009 at 9:36 am #92541electro-melxModeratorForum member One: I need a transparent compressor that I can leave on all the time and won’t effect my tone too much.
Forum Member two: EHX blackfinger?
Forum member One: is it true bypass?
Forum member two: :freak:February 3, 2009 at 12:52 pm #92543Kevin DemuthMemberQuote:Forum member One: I need a transparent compressor that I can leave on all the time and won’t effect my tone too much.
Forum Member two: EHX blackfinger?
Forum member One: is it true bypass?
Forum member two: :freak:😆
i agree with what you said about buffered pedals.
my Small Stone has a slight volume drop but if i put a buffered (bypassed) pedal in front the volume drop disappears. if only the Small Stone was buffered!
there are the obvious manufacturers like Boss which make buffered pedals but there are also some higher-end companies making buffered pedals – Roger Mayer comes to mind. i think Roger knows a thing or two about making pedals so i doubt he’d be using buffers if they were inferior to true bypass.
February 3, 2009 at 12:54 pm #92544Kevin DemuthMemberQuote:… the only time you’d have a TB signal is when all your pedals are turned off….and how often does that happen? 😆exactly!
turn your pedal on and the bypass is irrelevant!
February 3, 2009 at 1:01 pm #92545Kevin DemuthMemberQuote:While we’re on the topic, are digital ehx effects like my good ole SMMH true bypass? When i hear digital, I think buffered, and that totally fucks with my fuzzes. That’s why I never use boss pedals.i don’t think ALL of the digital EHX pedals are true bypass…
i’m not sure about the Haz (something tells me it’s not but i don’t know – and don’t care – either way) but i’m sure i remember reading that the Micro Pog is buffered.digital pedals can be buffered or true bypass, just like analogue pedals.
why do you never use Boss pedals?
i’ve got a few Boss pedals and the buffers sound fine to me…
or are you suggesting that they’re digital?February 3, 2009 at 2:27 pm #92548Fender&EHX4everModeratorIt blows my mind how Hendrix, The Who, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, or Bob Marley ever made it through an entire show without having True Bypass, Buffers, or Switching Systems. They must have been playing air guitar all those years.
February 3, 2009 at 2:31 pm #92549cabomanoParticipantIncluding my tuner, my signal goes through 8 devices (including Boss pedals) before it hits the amp. Only 2 of these (the very first and last pedals in the chain) are true bypass, still it all sounds fine. I guess you gotta have lots more effects for true bypass to make an audible difference.
February 3, 2009 at 4:50 pm #92562julianModeratorI think the thing is that there are some pedals with notoriously bad bypass. I kicked them all off of my board when I began to notice that the delay bleed, and that I had really low headroom. If I picked hard enough the buffers would distort in a really ugly way.
Also Crybaby GCB-95. I had one. The buffer was AWFUL.
But the EHX pedals that I have that are buffered have really great bypass. My clean sound is awesome, and I have no volume drops.
February 3, 2009 at 5:26 pm #92563PumpkinPiecesMemberQuote:Quote:While we’re on the topic, are digital ehx effects like my good ole SMMH true bypass? When i hear digital, I think buffered, and that totally fucks with my fuzzes. That’s why I never use boss pedals.I think as far as ods/distortions/fuzzes, they should stay analogue. But I’ve played with the #1 echo and micro pog and it sounded just fine. The only thing is digital isn’t as spontaneous, it’s very precise and exact usually. Thats what charms me with analogue is there’s always that small (tiny) factor it could do something amazing at the right time. Example: Blue Box.
I think prefer buffered pedals. I wish all pedals had high quality signal buffers/regulators on the in’s and outs, I believe you’d get far less problems with volume drop, fuzz pedal incompatabilities, pedals not working very well with different pickups, switch popping etc……I don’t know how much that would add to the price of a pedal though. True Bypass is nonsense, the only time you’d have a TB signal is when all your pedals are turned off….and how often does that happen? 😆
That’s my point my pedals are on all the time, so if a buffered pedal makes my fuzz sound nasally and compressed, I’m taking it out of my chain. I don’t have any volume loss problems. I’m not saying my fuzzes are incompatible with each other, its just if i have a buffered pedal in my chain the rest of my pedals begin to sound like shit.
I’m sure buffered pedals work great in some cases, but for me they don’t. No one gave me a clear answer on my smmh question, I assume its buffered? It sounds fine, I’m just curious for knowledge’s sake.
February 3, 2009 at 5:33 pm #92564cabomanoParticipantThe SMMH has buffered bypass as far as I know.
February 3, 2009 at 5:45 pm #92565julianModeratorit’s buffered or relay
February 3, 2009 at 5:52 pm #92567electro-melxModeratorQuote:The SMMH has buffered bypass as far as I know.“In Bypass mode, the mono/left input jack is connected directly to the mono/left output jack, the Right input jacks is connected directly to the right output jack. If no plug is inseted into the right input jack the the mono/left input jack will also connect to the right output jack.”
as far as I know it doesn’t……unless my interpretation of the manual is wrong, it doesn’t trail when you kick it off does it?
February 3, 2009 at 5:54 pm #92568julianModeratorwell it is only a 3pdt so there has to be something extra going on
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