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  • #105492
    moonmin82
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    thanks – thatd be really good. the kind of sound im hoping for ranges from third eye blind / kevin cadogan to muse and iron maiden. the more high gain pedals ive tried lately have been far too thin sounding.

    #108283
    Simonmaal
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    English Muff’n all the way (The Hot Tube sounds, to me, more like a distortion than an OD but with a simple tube swap you can achieve both with the Muff’n). The Muff’n is one of the best sounding pedals out there for what you are looking for. With the mid and low set to full and the treble set to 9 o clock, it rivals the vintage overdrive setting on my Marshall JMP1. This is one of the few pedals where it’s difficult to get a bad sound. My only criticism is that it can sound a bit too bright (but setting the EQ controls the way I said eliminates this).

    I intended to buy a 12AX7 to replace one of the 12AY7s but clicked the wrong box on the site I was ordering from (then failed to notice my mistake in the confirmation e-mail). I had mistakenly ordered a 5751 EH GOLD. After the tube arrived and I discovered my glaring error, I tried the 5751 in the right hand slot while leaving the other 12AY7 in the left slot. I was so glad I made that mistake! It warmed up the sound beautifully (reducing the aforementioned treble problem) and added a nice bit of gain (but not too much as to change the overall character of the pedal).

    The result is a rich, creamy overdrive reminiscent of Tony Iommi or Angus Young. I think my (accidentally) going for the lower gain tube has given me a nice versatility; turning the gain down a bit gives a nice Stevie Ray Vaughan tone and reducing it further can give a pretty convincing Johnny Marr or, with a nice analog delay, The Edge.

    I can definitely recommend this setup going into the clean channel of an amp (therefore almost using it like a pre-amp). Using it on the overdrive channel generated far too much noise for my liking.

    #108701
    moonmin82
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    Finally went for the Muff’n after 3 months of thought!! I’m really happy with my decision so far. Think I’ll order some replacement tubes to play about with. It’s a shame that you can’t register products online as I’ll have to post my warranty card from the UK to the US :-s

    #108717
    Simonmaal
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    I’ve been continuing to mess around with settings using the 5751 as I mentioned in my last post and I can still recommend it. So you might want to try that tube first to see how much it increases the gain.

    I like the sound so much that I’ve stopped using the overdrive channels on my Marshall JMP 1 (which goes into a 9200 power amp). Instead, I use this pedal as a pre-amp on the “clean” channel. JMP 1 doesn’t really do a pure clean sound so I crank up the gain on the clean channel and have it only just breaking up into a crunch sound, which mixes perfectly with the English Muff’n.

    The English Muff’n with this tube configuration has a depth and richness that I just can’t seem to get out of the overdrive channels on the JMP 1 (although I’ve had it nearly 15 years so it might need some TLC). It takes a lot for me to say that because I was totally happy with the JMP 1 up until now! Maybe it’s a personal taste thing!

    Anyway, enjoy the pedal and I hope you get as much out of it as I have!

    #108718
    moonmin82
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    What difference does tube position make? I hear that it sounds different depending on which tube you replace – why is this? Cheers :-)

    Plus, probably a silly question (I have very little prior knowledge of valves…): could I put ANY valve in the Muff’n? I’ve been looking on http://www.hotroxuk.com and was wondering if all fittings are the same? Looking at the rectifier tubes, these seem to have an extra bit in the middle?

    #108722
    SanquiFlerb
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    There are different tubes for diferent applications, in this case, they’re preamp tubes I think.

    #108723
    Cybananna1
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    Quote:
    Plus, probably a silly question (I have very little prior knowledge of valves…): could I put ANY valve in the Muff’n? I’ve been looking on http://www.hotroxuk.com and was wondering if all fittings are the same? Looking at the rectifier tubes, these seem to have an extra bit in the middle?

    No, you can’t just put in any tube that will fit. You have to put in the proper type of tube. Many tubes have the same pin configuration but if you don’t put in compatible ones, you may destroy the tube and or the pedal. Make sure you only put in the correct type.

    You should do a search of the web and find tubes compatible with 12AY7. As sain in the docs, the 12ax7 works so anything compatible with them will work too.

    #108753
    Simonmaal
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    What difference does tube position make? I hear that it sounds different depending on which tube you replace – why is this? Cheers :-)

    This is true; tube sequence does have an effect. I don’t know exactly why, but I do know that a 5751 will interact with the raw guitar signal input in a very different way than a 12AY7 will. So I’m assuming that, because the first pre-amp tube in the chain interacts more directly with the raw guitar signal than the second tube, the first tube must have the biggest effect on tone. By the time the signal hits the second tube, it has already been “shaped”.

    Think of it like you would making a cup of tea: putting the milk in before the hot water creates a different flavour than putting the milk in at the end (sorry for the corny metaphor but I can’t think of anything better at the moment :) )

    Quote:
    Plus, probably a silly question (I have very little prior knowledge of valves…): could I put ANY valve in the Muff’n? I’ve been looking on http://www.hotroxuk.com and was wondering if all fittings are the same? Looking at the rectifier tubes, these seem to have an extra bit in the middle?

    First, you need to make sure you’re using pre-amp tubes. Second, you need to be using tubes that are plate voltage compatible (e.g. 12AX7, 5751, 12AT7, 12AY7, 12AV7 and 12AU7). These tubes can often be mixed and matched safely, but bear in mind that the circuitry of the pedal or pre-amp will have been designed with a specific tube type in mind. So customising in this way can often be a game of trial and error. Also bear in mind that tubes are a bit temperamental, so no 2 tubes will ever be exactly the same (even the same model by the same manufacturer made on the same production line at the same time). Finally, the English Muff’n will interact with your amp, so using it with a Marshall JMP-1 pre-amp and 9200 power amp will create a different sound than if you plugged it into a Fender Twin reverb!

    But all the theory is all fine and well. The best guide is your own ears, and tone is a highly subjective thing, so I would recommend playing about with different combinations.

    #108754
    Simonmaal
    Member

    Interesting (but short) article on tube swapping here:

    http://www.300guitars.com/articles/preamp-tube-gain-factors-and-substitution-chart/

    #108814
    moonmin82
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    Thanks to everyone for your really helpful advice. I’ve ordered two EHX gold pin valves: a 12AX7 and a 5751. I’ll have a play about with various combinations and see how they sound!

    Reading up on valves I’ve seen the term “main driver position” come up time and time again. Can anybody shed any light on this? From what you’ve told me I would assume on the Muff’n this would be the left hand side valve slot?

    #108856
    Simonmaal
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    I can’t answer the bit about the main driver position (sorry but I don’t have a clue!) but I have the 5751 in the right slot and the original 12AY7 in the left.

    #108899
    moonmin82
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    as much as i love this pedal and i cant wait to try it with the new valves ive bought, theres one thing thats really annoyed me – the cheap screws on the foot guard. removing the philips screws on the foot guard, the first (right hand side) was fine, whereas the left hand one was so tight its not going anywhere. ive used the correct size and type screwdriver, but its so tight and made of such soft metal that whenever i turn the screwdriver it lifts over and out of the ‘plus’ and has damaged it. now im worried that i wont be able to remove it at all. so frustrating seeing how much i love this pedal and how careful ive been.

    #108901
    Simonmaal
    Member

    That’s a shame. I had no problems with mine but the only solution I can think of if the screw head is stripped is to buy a dremel and cut a deep slot into the head, then use a flat headed screw driver to get the screw out.

    #108903
    moonmin82
    Member

    ill be happy as long as i can get that screw out! then i can replace it with a more robust pair of screws. its something ill need access to, so they wont need to be set as tight as they were. some of the engineers at work suggested i use the dremmel, but ill only try that as a last resort. ill probably try some double sided tape first as itll give the screwdriver something else to grip on to.

    #108905
    Simonmaal
    Member

    I’ve never been a fan of philips screw heads for that reason. With a flat head, it’s a lot harder to wear away the head, even if it takes a little bit longer to use the screwdriver :)

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