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  • December 10, 2009 at 4:45 pm #105139
    aliensporebomb
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    Good idea,

    You have to be careful with some “Stereo” outputs on pedals as sometimes as in the Pulsar their stereo effect is created by throwing one side or output out of phase.
    It sounds wide in stereo BUT is your signal is played back or heard in mono the signals will recombine and the effect will cancel out and vanish!

    I remember years ago doing a commercial that I used a stereo delay on to bounce the sound around.
    It was crucial to the sound and track.
    Well I heard the jingle on the AM radio one day and that big delay effect was GONE.
    All that was left was this plunky little guitar that was ridiculous sounding !!!
    It turns out the delay created its stereo with phase reversal and AM radio is mono.
    Poof.. vanishing effects!
    I now call it ‘Fake Stereo”.
    I always check now before I record a pedal in stereo to see if it is true stereo.
    I did find a work around and that is, after you recording a fake stereo effect add 5 to 15 milliseconds of delay to one side and the effect will not vanish if heard in mono.
    Bill

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    TIP:

    an interesting alternative approach for splitting the signal
    into two branches (at the “send”-side) would be
    using the 2 outputs of a “stereo”-pedal (e.g.: “PULSAR”)
    instead of the “Y-adapter”… ;)

    Bill when doing a session like that do you get any sort of idea of the venue for the ads?
    Like “this one is for the tri-state area both AM/FM etc..”

    That must have been a nightmare to hear the plinky ridiculous guitar instead of the cool delay
    effect. I like the idea of adding 5 to 15 ms of delay on one side, interesting – I think mono
    gets overlooked a bit these days.

    December 10, 2009 at 5:54 pm #105143
    bill ruppert
    Participant

    Todd
    Well you can kind of tell if its a national or regional commercial when you get there see what the product is.
    Mazda or Budweiser or Target, Hallmark type products would most likely be national.
    Mcdonald`s might be regional as its targeted to areas in the country where they have promotional sales.
    You know if its TV as there is always picture to play to and if its just a voice over its radio.
    Still if you ask the agency guy he will tell what the actual TV and Radio space “buy” is.

    Now days there is a lot of internet advertising this creates different problems for the music.
    The mono issue is one for sure.
    A lot of people listen on laptops or on a computer with one speaker under the desk!!
    Talk about the worst gorilla music conditions.
    I just did a bunch of stuff for Marlboro cigarettes.
    They by law can not advertise of TV or radio so they use the internet.

    The vanishing delay was horrifying but I learned my lesson fast!
    It was a good two space TC rack mounted delay that caused the problem!
    It was years ago and I forget the model number.
    Bill

    December 13, 2009 at 7:07 pm #105280
    puretube
    Member
    Quote:
    Good idea,

    You have to be careful with some “Stereo” outputs on pedals as sometimes as in the Pulsar their stereo effect is created by throwing one side or output out of phase.
    It sounds wide in stereo BUT is your signal is played back or heard in mono the signals will recombine and the effect will cancel out and vanish!
    …
    Bill

    Wrong…
    The 2 outputs of the nano-PULSAR are absolutely phase-coherent!
    (only their amplitude-variation (=levelmodulation) is oppositely phased;
    which means that the one channel is full on,
    while the other channel is full off
    at the extreme ends of the sweep, when depth is maxed to the “sweet spot” at 1:00 PM.
    At the middle of the sweep, both channels will carry the signal at the same level
    and of course the same phase to their respective output-jacks.
    The same, when depth is turned to zero).

    {yes, the output(-s) is (are) oppositely phased versus the input(-s)
    on both the “re-issue”- and the “nano stereo”-PULSAR,
    but that`s not an issue, when you place it like described earlier
    instead of the “sending Y-adapter”}

    Best regards from the Pulsar-re-issue-designer…
    (hope to post a little o-scope-vid, soon)

    December 13, 2009 at 7:15 pm #105283
    bill ruppert
    Participant

    Yes you are correct on the Pulsar phase.
    The problem is using stereo Tremolo is when the stereo signal in played or summed in momo.
    The effect will vanish.
    One side on with one side off mixed ,equals both sides on.
    Im sorry I should have made the phase distinction in the tremolo.
    The end problem is summing was the same as the other effects with output phase reveseal.
    I used the Pulsar in the Electric piano episode but wanting a hard stereo pan I delayed one side by a few milliseconds so the effect could be heard in mono.

    I did not know you designed the Pulsar.
    It is by far one of my favorite pedals by EHX.
    Its in many of the Effectology shows.
    I feel its the best tremolo on the market.

    Bill Ruppert

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    Quote:
    Good idea,

    You have to be careful with some “Stereo” outputs on pedals as sometimes as in the Pulsar their stereo effect is created by throwing one side or output out of phase.
    It sounds wide in stereo BUT is your signal is played back or heard in mono the signals will recombine and the effect will cancel out and vanish!
    …
    Bill

    Wrong…
    The 2 outputs of the nano-PULSAR are absolutely phase-coherent!
    (only their amplitude-variation (=levelmodulation) is oppositely phased;
    which means that the one channel is full on,
    while the other channel is full off
    at the extreme ends of the sweep, when depth is maxed to the “sweet spot” at 1:00 PM.
    At the middle of the sweep, both channels will carry the signal at the same level
    and of course the same phase to their respective output-jacks.
    The same, when depth is turned to zero).

    {yes, the output(-s) is (are) oppositely phased versus the input(-s)
    on both the “re-issue”- and the “nano stereo”-PULSAR,
    but that`s not an issue, when you place it like described earlier
    instead of the “sending Y-adapter”}

    Best regards from the Pulsar-re-issue-designer…
    (hope to post a little o-scope-vid, soon)

    December 31, 2009 at 7:41 pm #105928
    rpn.nelson
    Member

    Bill,

    How would you set the POG instead of the POG 2 for the shimmer effects?

    Would you reccommend single coils or humbuckers for the most clarity within this style of playing?

    Also, I am thinking that if you use the y splitter and split the signal for using shimmer effects but also want the option of running the pedals in series for other sounds that you could simply unplug the cable connecting the soul preacher to the second delay. It would make it easy to switch the configuration of the pedal board quickly in the middle of a set. Would this work or would it be better to take out the splitter and plug it in directly? I want to make sure it doesn’t throw the sound out of phase.

    I have to say, I really enjoy the sounds you get out of the guitar. Your shimmer effects are the exact sound I have been slowly progressing towards with each new pedal. They are the sound I have heard in my head for years now, but have not been able to master yet. I knew it was possible to pull those sounds out a guitar. Thanks for all your creativity with effects, It greatly benefits us all!

    December 31, 2009 at 9:01 pm #105932
    aliensporebomb
    Participant

    I think there should be a “Bill Ruppert Series EHX Sonic Explorer pedal” that would let us do
    this kind of stuff all in one pedal instead of needing to hook a bunch of pedals together.

    It might be expensive but it would sure as heck be cool.

    Interesting what rpn. nelson asked though: in my mind this effect seems happy with either
    humbuckers or single coils, they both bring out different “sparkly shimmer” characteristics.

    I’ve got a guitar with darker humbuckers that isn’t quite as happy with this but I’ve got
    two other guitars with low to medium output passive humbuckers that seem to shine with this
    effect. As long as they’re not the ‘darker’ “sweat hog” type humbuckers.

    So, give it a shot.

    January 2, 2010 at 3:05 am #105956
    bill ruppert
    Participant

    Thanks rpn.nelson!
    So happy to hear you dig the show!
    The difference in settings with the POG and POG2 would be in the attack control.
    It helped the POG2 sneak it the upper voice, but was set low so I don’t think you will miss it in this effect using the original POG.
    Match settings and go from there.
    The original POG is a great unit and the input slider is so great at adding overdrive to the effect.
    One thing I found was EHX effects seems to distort GREAT when levels are pushed up.
    Something most digital effects NEVER do.
    Distortion is not always desirable but when you want it they break up very musically.
    I am sure that is no accident!

    As for pickups I love the neck humbucker for most of my stuff.
    I always have a single coil in the middle for strat sounds and split coil effects.
    Almost always its the bridge humbucker pick up in the Sffectology shows.
    I like a slightly hot pick up with a slight mid boost almost like a pedal steel pick up.
    That seems to be what I go for the most.
    Some over wound tele pickups even have this sound.
    I use a lot of compression so humbucking is a must to keep the noise down.

    Great Idea on the effect Y set up.
    Experiment and see what works.
    Thanks again!
    Bill

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    Bill,

    How would you set the POG instead of the POG 2 for the shimmer effects?

    Would you reccommend single coils or humbuckers for the most clarity within this style of playing?

    Also, I am thinking that if you use the y splitter and split the signal for using shimmer effects but also want the option of running the pedals in series for other sounds that you could simply unplug the cable connecting the soul preacher to the second delay. It would make it easy to switch the configuration of the pedal board quickly in the middle of a set. Would this work or would it be better to take out the splitter and plug it in directly? I want to make sure it doesn’t throw the sound out of phase.

    I have to say, I really enjoy the sounds you get out of the guitar. Your shimmer effects are the exact sound I have been slowly progressing towards with each new pedal. They are the sound I have heard in my head for years now, but have not been able to master yet. I knew it was possible to pull those sounds out a guitar. Thanks for all your creativity with effects, It greatly benefits us all!

    January 2, 2010 at 3:07 am #105957
    bill ruppert
    Participant

    Thanks Tod.
    a “Bill Ruppert Series EHX Sonic Explorer pedal” would be the coolest!!!
    Write Mike Matthews and request it.
    I would buy one for my self!
    Happy New Year
    Bill

    Quote:
    I think there should be a “Bill Ruppert Series EHX Sonic Explorer pedal” that would let us do
    this kind of stuff all in one pedal instead of needing to hook a bunch of pedals together.

    It might be expensive but it would sure as heck be cool.

    Interesting what rpn. nelson asked though: in my mind this effect seems happy with either
    humbuckers or single coils, they both bring out different “sparkly shimmer” characteristics.

    I’ve got a guitar with darker humbuckers that isn’t quite as happy with this but I’ve got
    two other guitars with low to medium output passive humbuckers that seem to shine with this
    effect. As long as they’re not the ‘darker’ “sweat hog” type humbuckers.

    So, give it a shot.

    January 23, 2010 at 8:19 am #106738
    mitchrobins
    Member

    I can’t seem to see the video on youtube anymore…

    Regards,
    MitchRobins
    Commercial vehicle insurance quotes

    January 23, 2010 at 10:40 am #106745
    bill ruppert
    Participant

    The video is still there:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3aqZSywx7k

    The Effectology channel is here:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/Effectology?blend=2&ob=1&rclk=cti

    February 7, 2010 at 11:12 pm #107218
    dreamyguy
    Member

    Hi Bill, great series, I’m totally stunned…

    I’m looking for a volume pedal now, something decent in stereo. I see that you have used a pic from the stereo Boss pedal in all your effectology videos (in those you used a volume pedal).

    I have only true-bypass pedals and I’d rather keep it that way. I assume nearly all Boss pedals – if not all – are not true-bypass, but since this volume pedal is passive I guess it would not affect the tone (as long as I don’t use long cables either way from the pedal).

    I’m not asking if you would endorse the Boss volume pedal, but merely if you, as a guitar player would recommend one to someone who would rather not use non-bypass pedals. They seem to have a great value and are therefore a strong candidate to my board.

    Would really appreciate your honest opinion – even though we are on the EHX forum… ;)

    Cheers,
    Wallace

    February 8, 2010 at 12:26 am #107220
    bill ruppert
    Participant

    Thanks Wallace!
    I love the Boss FV-500 volume pedal.
    Its built like a tank!
    There are two models so pick the one best for you.
    The FV-500H is a high impedance unit, best for use with you guitar before the amp.
    The FV-500L is a low impedance unit and is better if used in a effect loop or with the outputs of a keyboard instument. The 500L is also a stereo unit.
    Both pedals have an expression jack output so they can double as an expression pedal for many of the EHX effects.

    My guesss is you would need the high impedance unit.
    I feel the FV-500 is one of the best volume pedals on the market.
    I also feel a volume pedal is a MUST have item for any guitarist interested in effects.
    Good luck and thanks for writing!
    Bill

    Quote:
    Hi Bill, great series, I’m totally stunned…

    I’m looking for a volume pedal now, something decent in stereo. I see that you have used a pic from the stereo Boss pedal in all your effectology videos (in those you used a volume pedal).

    I have only true-bypass pedals and I’d rather keep it that way. I assume nearly all Boss pedals – if not all – are not true-bypass, but since this volume pedal is passive I guess it would not affect the tone (as long as I don’t use long cables either way from the pedal).

    I’m not asking if you would endorse the Boss volume pedal, but merely if you, as a guitar player would recommend one to someone who would rather not use non-bypass pedals. They seem to have a great value and are therefore a strong candidate to my board.

    Would really appreciate your honest opinion – even though we are on the EHX forum… ;)

    Cheers,
    Wallace

    February 8, 2010 at 7:56 pm #107272
    dreamyguy
    Member
    Quote:
    Thanks Wallace!
    I love the Boss FV-500 volume pedal.
    Its built like a tank!
    There are two models so pick the one best for you.
    The FV-500H is a high impedance unit, best for use with you guitar before the amp.
    The FV-500L is a low impedance unit and is better if used in a effect loop or with the outputs of a keyboard instument. The 500L is also a stereo unit.
    Both pedals have an expression jack output so they can double as an expression pedal for many of the EHX effects.

    My guesss is you would need the high impedance unit.
    I feel the FV-500 is one of the best volume pedals on the market.
    I also feel a volume pedal is a MUST have item for any guitarist interested in effects.
    Good luck and thanks for writing!
    Bill

    Hi again Bill,

    Thanks a lot for the feedback, really appreciate it.

    I thought of using the volume pedal after all my pedals, just before the delay and reverb. I have only one amp right now – but would like to record in stereo – so what I thought of doing was to run things a bit differently:

    (tuner) > soul preacher > wah > PREAMP (line out) > pog2 > big muff > small stone > stereo electric mistress (stereo path starts here) > stereo volume pedal > mm hazarai > mm hazarai > cathedral > L/R audio interface > computer

    My first post in this forum was actually to ask if this was possible, and the feedback I got said it was (I hope it is). Even if the stereo chain won’t be there on a live situation, the volume pedal would pretty much remain where it is in the chain above, in the effects loop.

    So I guess I would need a passive/low impedance stereo volume pedal…(?)

    BTW, all the pedals I mentioned are still shipping to Norway, somewhere in between…

    Cheers,
    Wallace

    February 8, 2010 at 11:15 pm #107280
    bill ruppert
    Participant

    Wallace,
    Yes you need the 500L low impedance pedal.
    Its stereo and its the one I have by the way.

    Wow,you have great pedals on the way.
    You are in for some major fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Bill

    Hi again Bill,

    Thanks a lot for the feedback, really appreciate it.

    I thought of using the volume pedal after all my pedals, just before the delay and reverb. I have only one amp right now – but would like to record in stereo – so what I thought of doing was to run things a bit differently:

    (tuner) > soul preacher > wah > PREAMP (line out) > pog2 > big muff > small stone > stereo electric mistress (stereo path starts here) > stereo volume pedal > mm hazarai > mm hazarai > cathedral > L/R audio interface > computer

    My first post in this forum was actually to ask if this was possible, and the feedback I got said it was (I hope it is). Even if the stereo chain won’t be there on a live situation, the volume pedal would pretty much remain where it is in the chain above, in the effects loop.

    So I guess I would need a passive/low impedance stereo volume pedal…(?)

    BTW, all the pedals I mentioned are still shipping to Norway, somewhere in between…

    Cheers,
    Wallace[/quote]

    April 18, 2010 at 1:46 am #109286
    pedaltragic
    Member

    Excellent tutorials. They make me just want to leave work NOW and spend hours fiddling with my fx. (The few that I own.) I was wondering if there are any technical risks with setting up the feedback loops demonstrated in part 14 of your demos?

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