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    GabrielPeret
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    Hello there! First off let me say that I an electronics Technician from Brazil, I have been working with pedals and tube amps for the past 15 years.

    Recently, a friend brought a Deluxe Memory Man (2002 unit) to restore.

    I have fixed and restored other Memory Man units in the past (at least other 5 units from diferent editions).

    Well, the main problem with this pedal is this: when engaged (delay on) there is a DISTORTION on the delayed signal, this comes from the LOW END, and from HARD PLAYING, becouse when played on the higher notes and soft playing, it is fairly clean delayed signal. There is no problem on bypass signal, neither there is problems with the Vibrato/Chorus circuit, and all funciona work, but the delayes signal is distorted on most of the notes.

    I have exchanged all IC’s EXCEPT the MN3005 chips (both of them are original). My question is this: could the MN3005 chips have been exposed to some kind of problem, and this is what is generating the delayed signal distortion? Becouse I don’t really know about this, and since I have not exchanged them, I would like to be sure they are the problem and if so, buy a new pair (fron outside Brazil, since we don’t have these here).

    I hope somebody out here can help me! It’s a great pedal, and soon it’s fixed I can return it to mu friend, and he can RECORD his new album!

    Thanks EHX!

    #124571
    Scruffie
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    Have you checked the BBD bias’ on a scope? It’s probably just off a little bit. If you lack a scope you can audio probe the outputs and bias them that way.

    #124572
    GabrielPeret
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    I have tried to fix the problem by using the bias trimpots and there was still distortion in any point! Indo not have a scope around here, but using the trimpots there was no significant changes in the distortion!

    #124573
    Scruffie
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    There is interactivity between the two bias trims (if one BBD is off, the other isn’t going to sound good) so just tweaking them doesn’t tell you much. Build an audio probe and trace through the circuit to find where the distortion occurs.

    Taking voltages of everything and posting them is also recommended.

    #124575
    GabrielPeret
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    Thanks for the reply! There is NO WAY I can build an audio probe my friend, Brazil is jobless… I barely have money to eat around here… I am lucky enouth that there is still some kind of work to be done, but that’s about it…

    I do have a friend which is my mentor, he does have the test equipment, he lives really far from where I am, but we are long time friends and he has helped me a lot with these kind of problems…

    I will see what can be done… It would be easy to exchange the chips, since the owner of the pedal is going to USA next week, and we could buy a pair and he brings it back the other week…

    Thanks!

    #124576
    Scruffie
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    An audio probe may sound like an expensive piece of equipment but it is incredibly simple and cheap to make, all that is required is a guitar lead and a capacitor, see this page https://www.diystompboxes.com/pedals/debug.html Debugging and biasing effectively without some way to check the effects of the trim pots within the circuit will be close to impossible.

    It’s unlikely that the BBD’s are the issues themselves and they are fairly pricey if money is an issue.

    #124578
    GabrielPeret
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    I can build the auido probe, but can this problem be related to some capacitor (Electrolitic types)? I have done a parcial recap, and it’s easy to do a complete recap (since I have done in other units the same way, the real vintage ones)…

    #124579
    Scruffie
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    It could be any number of issues, replacing parts without following debugging procedures isn’t particularly effective and may be a waste of time and money but the electrolytic caps are less likely to be bad than vintage units simply because they’re not as old but they can still go bad.

    Posting a full set of voltages for others to look at and audio probing through the circuit to find the source of distortion should help pin point the area of concern.

    How strong are the pickups being used as well? BBD’s do have a limited headroom and don’t handle bass frequencies particularly well so with something like EMG’s the behaviour you experience could actually be normal. As the vintage units were not true bypass it was possible to drop the input level below unity gain and have the bypass match the level which isn’t possible on the reissues.

    #124583
    GabrielPeret
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    The pickups are not strong enouth to cause distortion on the delay… Inhave anothe vintage Delay pedal, an analog with the same chip, it sound completly clean with the same guitar… I will try to post the voltages when I work on the pedal tomorrow! I really want to fix this problem, and have the pedal working ASAP…

    Thanks for the replys!

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