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  • February 22, 2011 at 5:48 am #81393
    gonzaldo
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    problem with cathedral reverb delay using stereo outputs

    I see this note in your docs:
    When you connect the Cathedral in a Mono to Stereo configuration in ECHO mode, the delays will bounce or ping-pong between the two outputs. The first repeat will go out the MONO/L Output; the second repeat will go out the R Output, the third repeat out the MONO/L Output and so on. When you connect a plug to the R Input, the Cathedral will stop the ping-pong effect: whatever goes into the Right Input will go out the Right Output; whatever goes in the Left Input will go out the Left Output.

    I connected a short cable into the right input, with nothing connected to the other end, but the delayed note is not hitting the 2 amps at the same time, regardless of the feedback setting. In fact there is no dry signal coming out of the amp connected to the right output if I use an ’empty plug into the R input’. You are saying to connect a plug, but this does not work. I also tried using an A/B pedal. I have a Morley pedal which has stereo outs, one for each channel. I connect the stereo outputs from the A/B pedal into the stereo inputs of the cathedral reverb but this doesn’t work either. I am not able to get the delayed note to sound AT THE SAME TIME in both amps. To me this is a hardware bug.
    Yes I enjoy the ping pong effect with delay, but I would like to hear BOTH the dry and the EFFECTED note – the delayed note – coming out of both amps at the same time. The pedal does not do this. If there is a way to achieve this I do not see it. Please advise.

    February 22, 2011 at 12:11 pm #114414
    melx
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    It doesn’t mean ‘an empty plug’

    as you just said there ‘whatever goes into the Right Input will go out the Right Output’ so if you have no signal going in you will have no signal coming out!

    So, if you are using both inputs what goes in each input will come out of the respective outputs, if you are using the mono input it will ping pong between the two outputs.

    February 22, 2011 at 12:48 pm #114429
    TheGhostMachina
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    Just put the AB box after the Cathedral, only use the left out of the Cathedral, and send that to both amps. I think that’s the sound you’re looking for.

    TGM

    February 22, 2011 at 3:41 pm #114431
    gonzaldo
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    TGM: Thanks a lot! That is the solution, the delayed sound arrives at both amps at the same time. The only drawback, maybe you can figure this one out, is how to be able to also get the ping pong sound without having to remove the A/B pedal, i.e be able to get either the delayed sound arriving at same time and the ping-pong mode delay by doing something other than removing the A/B.

    ( I must be nuts. I like this pedal’s sounds a lot. I chose it over Lexicon’s mod/time factor. Strymon’s demos blow me away. If I ever got rich I think they would make good friends. But I will never dump the Cathedral. It is a friend for life.)

    February 22, 2011 at 7:51 pm #114440
    TheGhostMachina
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    Besides repatching, and removing the A/B to get stereo ping pong, the only thing I can think of would be a third amp, mute pedal (Signal Pad/Tuner), and another A/B. But that would lead to a lot of tap dancing.

    Another member on this forum (FenderEHXForever) made a switching pedal called the ‘Labrynth’. It aloud him to change the order of his FXs without repatching. Something pike that may work for you. But it’s a custom build, sorry.

    TGM

    February 23, 2011 at 12:34 am #114443
    gonzaldo
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    well I got a reply from John Pisani from EHX, and he thinks there is a software bug. Quoting John: “We have to look into this. It could be a software bug. Actually when you plug a cable into the RIGHT Input, only the right input’s signal should come out of the RIGHT Output, but it’s not quite doing this.”

    Yes there is bleed, even the dry sound is not arriving at the 2 amps at the same time. Yikes! You would think there would be a button/switch to enable ping-pong effect or ‘arrive at same time’ effect, but no such luck…

    Going by the manual notes, putting the A/B pedal BEFORE the Cathedral Reverb is supposed to negate the Ping Pong effect, but it doesn’t do that. I think that is either a bug, or a badly written manual, which confuses me to no end…

    That being said, it appears I will have to pawn a relative to be able to afford the Strymon pedals. That is the real resolution, get a really good delay pedal (or 2 or 3 cause Strymon just OWNS the high end of the delay pedals market, in my not so humble opinion…)

    Thanks for the help! ( http://old.thesixtyone.com/bacal)

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