i got another picture of that bigmuff years ago
from the “machina” tour

that one has a small sticker on it (price tag) and the settings are almost close to that one except that the sustain is about 9′ o clock.

it’s known that siamese dream bigmuff was modified.

y can get the same tone with my modified USA version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5muCSCfhakE

sry for the mistakes but i was just testing it.

Yeah that creamy dreamer kid lied out his ass and Corgan denied ever using a modified muff modded by him or anyone else.

“Why did this have to come out the week after I sold mine?”

HAHAHA! I don’t mean to laugh at you, but that sounds like my kinda luck.

Oh, and +1, Sustain Punch wasn’t even making the Creamy Dreamer until like 1999. But you all know how rumors spread, especially on the net.

I’ve been testing and modding bigmuff since 12 years ago. Actually the bigmuff was the first pedal i’ve made. I was almost there when jeff doucette started that thread on the ampage forum requesting bigmuff mods..! (looong time ago) and u know the rest of the story (Creamy dreamer).

There are some V3 bigmuffs that contains the transistor version inside. The Circuit is a 1980 4 transistor NPN version of the bigmuff. This one is really close to the actual USA version with minor differences.

An OP-AMP bigmuff stock WAS used by corgan to record gish!. That’s the only close bigmuff that will give u that thin sound with lots of sustain.

However that bigmuff version won’t give that fat growl sustain that siamese dream has. That bigmuff has to be an either Version 1 or 2 bigmuff not another one.

I’ve tried almost all versions. I also have a Ram’s head modified Usa Version and it’s sounds cool but it lacks soo much bass and sounds more “refined” and friendly. The Triangle version has soo much bass response that saturates the pre-amp tubes badly so it starts compressing the sound giving you that smooth sound.

The clip i’ve posted before was recorded with heavier strings and a humbucker pickup on the brigde. That’s why it sounds sooo fat compared to siamese dream (even though i had to turn the bass almost completely off on the amp’s EQ). With lighter strings and single coils it will have more treble and edgy sound. That clip was recorded with a cheap.. cheap microphone. The amp (peavey ultragain) is similar to a JCM800 in design but uses 6L6 tubes on the output. Matches the theory that Corgan used a JCM800 with KT tubes on the power section and the bigmuff.

I’ve tried my usa modified with tons of amps and it gives me that close sound with peavey’s and marshall’s.

It gives me that same sound and harmonics from siamese dream, but that one doesn’t work for Gish stuff. that one has to be an stock op-amp version.

Blondegraemey has a few ones (including the op-amp version) , he test them on this clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id_tOY5uryU

Pictures of the 3rd issue bigmuff that corgan used on the machina tour

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/7751/pedals2.jpg

This is not entirely true (unless you have a “good” triangle muff with some 1uF’s in it and are basing your opinion on that alone) as the capacitors in triangle muffs,like any other vintage muff of the EXACT same model, vary by a factor of TEN from unit to unit giving absolutely ZERO consistency whatsoever.
Most examples of the trianle muff ya see online have 100nF caps in it but DEV has one with a few 1uF caps in it which is automatically going to give it more bass than the all 100nF versions that are somwhat more common. I’ve also seen other triangle versions with 1UF caps in it, so has Ron Neely…possibly the most experienced EHX man in the world!

People often mistake the Sovtek muffs as being more bassy than the NYC RI big muff which is not true AT ALL, they are mistaking BOOMYNESS for BASS when there’s a difference. The reason the Sovtek muffs are boomy and not bassy is because they have a 47nf cap in both clipping stages 1 and 2 but only use 100nF caps in the rest of the circuit (3x560pF ‘s aside). The NYC RI uses 1uF caps and has 1uF caps in both clipping stages 1 and 2 hence,it is NOT boomy but it is bassy. Once you remove the 47nF caps from pretty much any Sovtek muff it becomes thinner like most triangle muffs and cannot compete for bass with the NYC RI or the 10uF input cap version ramshead muff or 77 and 78 (both identical besides on/off – tone bypass) IC muffs and the 1981 3034 muff.

Boomyness doesnt do chords real great, bassiness does do chords great.

The bassiest big muff to date is the NYC 3003-A RI muff as there’s not a 100nF cap to be found inside it. The 1981 3034 would be much the same or a very close second.
If a muff has 1uF caps and another only has 100nF the former is going to be bassier, its pretty simple.

There was absolutely zero consistency in vintage big muff capacitor values and types, the earlier you go the worst it was and this is why I often say “I hate triangle muffs” because most examples I’ve heard and seen are the 100nF versions. I’ve also found the IC muffs more consistent than the transistor versions,not in parts type,no, they differ dramatically, but in values, they are pretty good for the year they were made.

Today, big muffs are consistent, there’s no problem there.

Also another thing people delude themself with is that the so called FS36999 is FAR superior than the 2N5088, fact is it IS a 2N5088.

There’s so much variation in big muffs and so much misinformation on the www about big muffs its a wonder ANYONE can make an informed decision about any muff purchase!

I know Ron and I at least try to correct this misinformation…but there’s not much we can do about the consistancy of vintage big muffs!