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May 21, 2011 at 1:05 pm #83926cheesedude5050Participant
This has been driving me crazy all week.I know the muff’s catagorized as a distortion, but it sound rather fuzzy. some people call it a fuzz, some people call it a distortion. and when i say this, I mean the modern muff, not the classics, preferably a big muff pi w/ tone wicker. thanks.
May 21, 2011 at 8:00 pm #115263ehxguy11MemberNeither, distortion free sustainer. Honestly, distortion, fuzz, sustainer etc. what ever it is it kicks @$$.
May 22, 2011 at 6:28 am #115265CryabetesParticipantconsider it the noisiest compressor you’ve ever considered using in your life and call it good.
May 22, 2011 at 9:43 pm #115269fantomenosMemberThere’s a subjective component here right? We’ve got a gain-based spectrum with clean boost at one end (which may cause your amp to overdrive of it’s own accord) and white noise at the other. Along the way we put signposts that say overdrive, distortion, fuzz, etc, but as far as I know there aren’t any hard and fast rules.
May 23, 2011 at 10:09 pm #115280cheesedude5050ParticipantI really want to know what it is so o can know whether I need to get this and a fuzz pedal or not. Should I put it at the front of my effects loop, and will I just pass off as a fuzz?
May 23, 2011 at 11:40 pm #115281fantomenosMemberIf it will make you feel better, call it a fuzz.
You might want to listen to it…
Does it sound like what you think a fuzz is?
:freak:May 24, 2011 at 1:25 am #115282cheesedude5050ParticipantPretty much, yeah. It’s not as heavy as other stuff I’ve played, like the leviathan or the swollen pickle, butt I still really like the sound.
May 24, 2011 at 2:29 am #115284KitraeMemberThe Fuzz goes over here, the Muff in the middle, and the Distortion over there
Seriously, I think what people are trying to tell you is there is no firm description for the sound of any of these that defines one as specifically this or that. Whatever the first pedal that fit the bill for any of those terms was in the very beginning, there are now so many variations and pedals that cover the range that it is impossible to categorically state this pedal is this and that is that. There are basic pedals out there that still follow the basic original circuits. The Little Big Muff still sounds like a Muff. The Fuzz Face still sound like a fuzz. The Tube Screamer still sound like an overdrive.
A Big Muff to me is just that – a Muff. There are characteristics that define the Muff sound over other pedals – scooped mids, double clipped, fat octaved distortion, sustain. I can almost always tell when I am listening to a Muff circuit. The Swollen Pickle you mentioned is a Big Muff circuit. A Fuzz Face (or even the Germanium Big Muff) has characteristics that define it as fuzz to my ears, that are very different from Muff. I can almost always tell when I am hearing a Fuzz Face type circuit. Turn the sustain down on a Muff and dial the tone back and you can get fuzz-like tones. Dime the sustain and crank the tone up and you get some high gain distortion. Dial Fuzz Face down and you get a fuzzy overdrive. Dime it you get distortion. Then you have dozens of hybrids, like the Musket, which can do light overdrive, deep fuzz, and full on high gain Big Muff distortion. It’s a Big Muff and Linear Power Booster circuit combo. The Skreddy Lunar Module does Fuzz Face tones, light to heavy overdrive, and a nice fat high gain distortion. The Germanium Big Muff is a fuzz face style circuit with an overdrive circuit built in. Practically any overdrive, Muff, or fuzz type circuit distorts enough when the gain knob is maxed to be called distortion. The Leviathan is called a fuzz by Wampler. It does Fuzz Face tones, warm overdrive, monster tube screamer type tones, even Muffish stuff (almost), and clearly distorts. So what is it? Whatever you want it to be. See the problem?
It really does come back to what your ears like, not what term something may or may not be labeled. Just listen to some demos and try one. See if you like it.
April 17, 2012 at 5:34 pm #117371AodhJCParticipanthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUuLOd4QwJs&feature=relmfu these guys use a big muff and it’s fairly fuzzy, well i think so anyway….
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