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December 20, 2008 at 12:10 am #89234Royal8Member
I put my Small Stone before the SuperComp to help with the volume drop. It’s not that bad without the comp, but it sounds great with the comp in place.
December 20, 2008 at 3:14 am #89247MINGMemberWhen I get a new pedal, I usually place it in that generic pedal order: comp-od/dist-mod-dly/rvb. Once I get to know the pedal, then I start to move it around.
May 12, 2009 at 9:50 am #96615ToocanMemberI dont use that many pedals but i have my tuner, little big muff and then my wah before the amp
i put my LPB-1 in the effects loop and away i go. (delay is coming soon and this will go somewhere in the loop)
May 12, 2009 at 10:52 am #96616BlueSteelParticipantQuote:When I get a new pedal, I usually place it in that generic pedal order: comp-od/dist-mod-dly/rvb. Once I get to know the pedal, then I start to move it around.same with me.
i should try some more different pedal combinations though. i’ve been meaning to, but havent really felt like doing it yet.
June 10, 2009 at 9:58 am #97637Stoner WizardParticipantI have a similar structure for all pedal boards I’ve set, which is:
Guitar -> Tuner -> Wah -> Fuzz and/or High Gain Distortions -> Overdrive -> Compressor or Booster (if used, never both at the same board) -> Voice effects (Octaver or Envelope Filters – if used, never both at the same board) -> Modulation (Phaser or Tremolo – never both at the same board, depends on the pedal set) -> Analog Delay -> Digital Delay (some with Trails feature, others not)/Looper -> Amp.
REUPDATED EXPLANATION 12/06/09:
* Tuner first?: Yes, I want the purest signal to get into the tuner in order to get the most accurate tuning. Also most tuners I have act as buffers, so can keep a good quality signal through the chain.
* Wah before fuzz?: Read the notes below
NOTES about fuzz and wah:
— Wah is the “simplest and poorest” Dunlop Crybaby, which is not True Bypass, and may be “horrendous” and with some flaws. Maybe it’s the “worst” wah or not. But sure it’s not the best.
— I don’t like “modern sounding” wahs, but I don’t like Vox and Clyde types too. They are great (light years away from “crappy wah” in terms of quality and performance) but definitely I don’t like their sound.Sorry!.
— The only Fuzzes I use with wahs are Big Muffs. I don’t refer to Germanium Fuzzes or any other Silicon Fuzz type.
— This is not “what you should do”, this is ONLY what I do and works best to me.END OF THE NOTES
* Overdrive after distortion?: Thus, I can use overdrive by itself or use the overdrive with vol more than unity gain and drive to minimun to act as a “boost” for the distortion.
* Booster after distortion and OD?: That’s the way to get extra “punch”. When used through the input amp, the booster adds more gain besides a volume boost. When used through an effects loop, it creates the volume boost.
* Compressor after distortion?: I don’t use compressor for it’s theoretical purpose (peak limiting and boosting weakest sounds), I use as a sustainer, so most times, the goal is to add more “life” to distortion and/or fuzz to control and modulate long feedback lines to make it sound musical (when chords or single notes ring nicely) avoiding crazy noises.
* Voicing after drive/dist or compressor: What I want with this is to change the desired clean or driven sound. As most of my use is to create different harmonies, this is the place for octavers, ring mods or envelope filters. They just replicate and or process the basics for guitar sounds (a clean or dirty chord progression or riffs).
* Modulation after?: Well, the wave has changed its shape (sine or square – distorted) or some voices have been added, but the performance is still intact. I mean, when phasing or tremolo effects are put into, we’re changing the dynamic performance (the on/off effect, or the volume drop/no drop typical of phase shifting…), the previous desired signal is tailored with these effects, which all they have speed and modulation depth, so it can be adjusted to the song tempo.
* Analog delay first and digital/loop last?: Yes, analog delays have more limited features (shorter delay time) but very organic sounds, so they can add a nice color to already-constructed patterns (solos or rhytmic lines).
* Digital/loopers?: Well, obviously, if they have the possibility of recording loops, you can build your favorite sound, which may even include echoed sounds into the loop, so I consider they should be place the last.
* If you had an external reverb unit, I think it should be placed the lastest, because I think you’d choose to apply reverb or not to the overall sound.
To avoid any misinterpretation, I remark again:
This is not “a guide”. Also it’s not a collection of “mine is good, while other is bad” statements. These are just my experiences, don’t pretend to be anything beyond.
Regards.
Nacho
June 10, 2009 at 1:47 pm #97650julianModeratorMine goes:
Guitar -> Pitch shifters -> Ring Modulators -> Bit Crushers -> Filters -> OD -> Fuzz -> Tuner
Tuner Out -> Amp
Tuner Bypass Out -> Delay set fully wet -> volume pedal -> ampPersonally I like all my weird effects to be effecting clean guitar, making them effect fuzz makes them too messy sounding. Filter effects I prefer before fuzz because when you use them simultaneously, the filter tends to be a little too strong sounding.
Tuner later in the chain works great as a mute (before fuzz and the fuzz noise will prevent it from really being a mute)
Also, because it has a bypass and a normal out, I put the bypass to my delay, (which is followed by a volume pedal so I can control the level of my loops.) When I turn on the tuner, it mutes my dry signal, if I want to go fully wet.
June 10, 2009 at 3:05 pm #97655TheCapitalJMemberWell my post should be here but a can’t qoute right(im new) so it’s bellow
Joey
June 10, 2009 at 3:07 pm #97659TheCapitalJMemberDoes wah go before distortion
June 10, 2009 at 4:21 pm #97665electro-melxModeratorQuote:Does wah go before distortionI usually prefer it that way.
June 10, 2009 at 5:50 pm #97670julianModeratorme too
wah after distortion sounds like a vacuum cleaner. Which can be desirable sometimes.
June 10, 2009 at 6:02 pm #97672Fender&EHX4everModeratorQuote:me toowah after distortion sounds like a vacuum cleaner. Which can be desirable sometimes.
I love the vacuum cleaner sound, myself!
Definitely wah after dirt for me. The Muff Fuzz Crying Tone, if I’m not mistaken, is built with the filter after the dirt. It’s more pronounced that way.
June 10, 2009 at 6:17 pm #97674Fender&EHX4everModeratorQuote:I spend a lot of time playing with pedal order. I have a general rule I setup by, but there are always exceptions to the rules, and those exceptions generally produce the most interesting results.Compressors are tricky, because they also sound good at the start of the chain to help the tracking of the Pitch Shifters and the Filters. But I like how they smooth out the peaks in filter effects or deep modulation. They help with issues of overloading in The Worm, The Flanger Hoax, and the DMM. They also help with volume drop issues.
For standard, in-the-box functionality, I follow this chain:
Pitch shifting – HOG
Sustainer – vintage BlackFinger
Filters – Qtron+, Micro Synthesizer, Octave Multiplexer, PolyPhase, Tube Zipper, Zipper
Dirt – Big Muff Pi, Deluxe Big Muff Pi, Little Muff Pi, Hot Tubes, Germ OD
Wah – Muff Fuzz Crying Tone Wah
Compression – Black Finger (reissue), White Finger, Soul Preacher
Modulation – PolyChorus, PolyFlange, Electric Mistress, Deluxe Electric Mistress, Small Stone, Flanger Hoax
Tremelo/Vibrato – Wiggler, Pulsar, The Worm
Delay – Deluxe Memory Man, Stereo Memory Man (original)
Reverb – Holiest Grail, Holier Grail, Holy Grail
Equalizer – 10 Band Graphic EQ
Looper – Stereo Memory Man with Hazarai, 16 Second Digital DelayI updated my entry. I’ve since found a preferred sequence.
June 11, 2009 at 10:36 am #97714SupremePancakeMemberI run my signal like this:
Guitar> Pigtronix Attack Sustain> EHX HOG> MI Audio NeoFuzz>
EHX Deluxe Memory Man>(Dry> Boss Tuner)Wet> Digitech Whammy IV> Napalm Death Whammy Blender>
EHX SMMwH> Digitech Rv-7> AmpI should really try putting the sustainer after the Hog, but Pigtronix suggests it should go first.
For whatever reason I just put my Hog ahead of my fuzz and I was surprised how much better it sounds. For awhile I’ve kept the Whammy after the Memory Man so I can get a warmer glitch/quiver when using the whammy. Plus it gives it a fuller sound.June 11, 2009 at 10:47 pm #97744devnulljpParticipantThe hard and fast rule is always everything before everything else…at least that’s how it seems.
Rangemaster-type treble boosters always come first in the chain, as do fuzz, wah, and compressor. I have so many ‘must come first’ pedals it’s not funny. Wahs always seem to mess up everything too. Then of course you need a buffer between your wah and fuzz for impedance matching.
There are days when I think John Lee Hooker had the right approach to using pedals (i.e., don’t).Quote:* Wah before fuzz?: A fuzz + wah needs a buffer to work with better results. I only have the simplest Crybaby model, without any mod, so in this case, wah operates better placed before fuzz or distortion. If wah wis True Bypass, it should be put after instead.I don’t think that’strue at all. You run an unbuffered wah before a Si fuzz all you’ll get is a lot of squealing (listen to All Along the Watchtower on Jimi Hendrix Blue Wild Angel: Live at the Isle of Wight — that’s an unbuffered rybaby into a Si fuzz face). Before a Ge fuzz, you’ll probably not get much wah at all and a wimpy fuzz. The impedance loading is all wrong. If the wah is true bypass, it shouldn’t matter where it goes when it’s off, and when on it’s immaterial so I don’t understand the reasoning for that part above.
The Big Muff seems quite forgiving in this area though, certainly more than a fuzzface.And I like my tuner out of the chain, so it goes in one channel of an A/B box which doubles up as a mute switch (I used to use a switchblade for that, but i was too noisy).
June 11, 2009 at 11:57 pm #97751JaypeeMemberSince I play bass I usually put effects in order so it doesn’t mess with the bottom end.
My Doctor Q or Bassballs usually goes first cause it seems they like unmolested signal to respond well.
Then as follows OC-2 — Bass Micro Synth — (maybe)Tube Zipper — Compressor — Bass Big Muff — EQ — Phase 90 — Chorus (CE-2 or Polychorus)– DMM — Worm — Holy Grail
Any other bass ideas are gladly welcomed.
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