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September 24, 2009 at 10:22 pm #79035DreamhunterMember
Hi guys! I was wondering about the vintage bad stones: what is the difference between the 2 knob + color switch version (version 1) and the 3 knob one (version 2).
Is the circuit more or less the same? Are they the same effect, but with different controls, or completely different, just sharing the same name. Do they sound similar?
Thank you for anything you can tell me.
Alex
September 24, 2009 at 10:54 pm #101749Fender&EHX4everModeratorI don’t know about the differences in the circuits and the stages, but:
version 1 has a rate knob, a blend knob (which I assume controls the ratio of the dry and effected signals), and a color switch (which I assume switches between 2 fixed values of feedback, like the small stone).
version 3 has a rate knob, feedback knob (which might as well have been a 2 way switch, because it’s really tough to distinguish any continuous difference from about 0 -75%), and a manual knob that allows you to replace the rate knob and control your own oscillation.
September 26, 2009 at 7:21 am #101793DreamhunterMemberThank you! My investigation continues!
September 26, 2009 at 8:23 am #101795devnulljpParticipantThe Color switch on the v1 Bad Stone — the weird mummy face one — switches between a pitch shift vibrato and more of a chorus setting a bit like a leslie or a vibe. A lot of early phasers used that sort of terminology — my old Jen Motorphaser specifically calls them Tremolo (which is fast, like a Leslie) and Chorus (which is slow, like a vibe).
The later one with 3 knobs has a manual mode so you don’t use the LFO but set the phase shift manually with no sweep.Here’s some samples of the early one (although this isn’t really a v1 Bad Stone — it’s a different circuit v2 maybe?): http://www.home-wrecker.com/badstone.html
And the later one: http://www.pedalarea.com/phasers.htmThe Bad Stone is an awesome phaser and was the first with feedback.
September 26, 2009 at 10:46 am #101798Fender&EHX4everModeratorQuote:The Color switch on the v1 Bad Stone — the weird mummy face one — switches between a pitch shift vibrato and more of a chorus setting a bit like a leslie or a vibe. A lot of early phasers used that sort of terminology — my old Jen Motorphaser specifically calls them Tremolo (which is fast, like a Leslie) and Chorus (which is slow, like a vibe).Wow, really? That seems peculiar. Why have a continuous rate pot AND a toggle switch for 2 fixed rates? (more of a rhetorical question) That seems kind of obtuse.
October 12, 2009 at 7:19 am #102156devnulljpParticipantQuote:Quote:The Color switch on the v1 Bad Stone — the weird mummy face one — switches between a pitch shift vibrato and more of a chorus setting a bit like a leslie or a vibe. A lot of early phasers used that sort of terminology — my old Jen Motorphaser specifically calls them Tremolo (which is fast, like a Leslie) and Chorus (which is slow, like a vibe).Wow, really? That seems peculiar. Why have a continuous rate pot AND a toggle switch for 2 fixed rates? (more of a rhetorical question) That seems kind of obtuse.
It’s not really a fixed rate, my bad description. It’s more of a Doppler pitch shift vibrato like you’d get with a leslie on fast speed, and a more chorusy sound like a vibe on slow speed, but you can still vary the rate of the sweep with the pot. Just think of it like a switch between pitch shift vibrato and regular phaser. Hard to describe, but it sounds great.
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