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July 17, 2012 at 4:20 pm #82466AutokarismatParticipant
Howdy, everyone. First-time poster here.
I have had an LPB-1 for quite some time. I originally purchased it along with a Screaming Bird Treble Booster because I read that Tony Iommi used various boosters (a Rangemaster, I think?) in the early days of Sabbath to get his signature tone. Of course, at the time, I didn’t understand that Tony was using that gear to overdrive TUBE amplifiers, so it seemed that my purchases were for naught.
However, I’ve gotten good results using the LPB-1 with my amp distortion. I’m playing an Esquire-modded Telecaster into a Fender FM212 amp. The LPB-1 gives a nice dark, dirty, bassy quality to the amp distortion and I’ve had similar success using the LPB with my Fender Blender.
So, my question is, is there really any point to using the LPB-1 with an SS amp. I believe it was originally designed to push tube amps into overdrive break-up. Of course, I like the sounds I’m getting with it, but could I get the same results by tweaking amp EQ or using an EQ pedal and forego the LPB altogether?
Also, has anyone had success using the LPB-1 to “drive” other effects? I’ve never gotten the chance to use it w/ a Big Muff but I’d love the opportunity. I used it with my Frequency Analyzer and Stereo Pulsar Tremolo with less-than-great results. Any advice on LPB-1’s placement in the signal chain for max benefit?
P.S. I don’t play lead so I don’t use the LPB for boosts when soloing, lol.
Whew, sorry for the long-winded rant! Guess I overdid it on the coffee this morning, haha! Thanks in advance, guys!
July 18, 2012 at 6:17 pm #117877CryabetesParticipanttry using it to push filtering effects like filters, phasers, flangers, or like, in the effects loop of a delay, etc.
July 18, 2012 at 7:09 pm #117878AutokarismatParticipantHmmm, I hadn’t thought of trying that. Cool tip, I’ll give that a shot! Muchas gracias, man!
July 19, 2012 at 8:33 pm #117882crazymatt89ParticipantIf you ever get into a lot of effects you can use it to compensate for the loss of signal. That’s what I use mine for now. I actually did the same thing you did when I first bought mine. I had a Line 6 ss amp. I figured a little extra dirt in my sound would be cool. Turns out it doesn’t work that way.
July 19, 2012 at 10:01 pm #117884AutokarismatParticipantYep, true, it sadly doesn’t work that way, haha! That’s a good point you made though, I’ve noticed that my Fender Blender and my Frequency Analyzer have a little bit of a “volume drop” so I slap the the LPB in there to boost the sound back up. Works great! Guess I’ll just have to save up for a tube amp to get that natural break-up grit, lol!
July 20, 2012 at 1:50 am #117885fantomenosMemberI use my LPB-1 (and LPB2ube) in lots of ways, including with SS amps.
I’m a bass player, so this may not totally (tonally?) apply, but I bought my LPB-1 to go with my Sunn Studio Lead, a SS amp with no master volume, to give it a little more range. It sounded very different with the LPB-1 pushing it than just tweaking the volume.
Another nice application is in front of an Envelope Triggered effect like an auto-wah. This essentially gives you two settings for your auto-wah, since it will pushed harder with the LPB on, so you can have a mellow setting turn extreme when you trigger the LPB.
Obviously, as you say, this effect was designed to push tube amps into overdrive that might not otherwise have been designed with “crunch” in mind. My Sound City 150 is a very clean tube bass head, and the LPB-1 gives it some modern grit. So yeah, I fully support saving for a tube amp!
July 20, 2012 at 3:43 am #117889AutokarismatParticipantAwesome, thanks for those great tips! I will definitely try those out ASAP. Also, I’ve been experimenting with my Frequency Analyzer on vocals and the LPB is making for some crazy cool tones, heh heh!
Yes, I have also noticed a different tonal character when using the LPB-1 to alter the gain on my SS amp, even on the clean channel. Someone described it as an “extra gain stage” so I think that opens up several possibilities.
And, yes, I’ll definitely take your advice and save up for a tube amp! A Fender Blues Junior springs to mind…
July 20, 2012 at 6:24 am #117890crazymatt89ParticipantFrom my experience basses do work slightly different than guitars tonally with a boost. For instance my brother has a BBE sonic stomp in his bass rig (he uses a ss ampeg) and when he turns that thing on his bass sounds monstrous. I tried using his sonic stomp once when I had my ss amp and all it did was make it sound muddy. He’s tried my using my lpb-1 a few times and it does make it a little punchier and makes his low end boom a little more (not nearly as much as the sonic stomp though). As for the things like an auto wah or envelop filters, it most certainly gives it a different effect. Overdrives and distortions will do the same thing. I have a q tron and I have to be careful when I have my Tube Screamer or LPB-1 on otherwise it icepicks super easy (I have both in front of my q tron).
As for buying a tube amp. I originally thought people were crazy for spending ridiculous amounts of money on tube amps. Once I got one (I have a Bogner Alchemist) there is no way I could or would ever go back to a solid state. I would definitely have a tube amp on the top of your musical list as of right now. I got mine off of craigslist for pretty cheap, so I would recommend starting there.
July 20, 2012 at 3:11 pm #117892AutokarismatParticipantYeah, I’ve had similar results when using boosts/overdrives with my bass. Also, for some reason, I have a fuzzbox that sounds phenomenal on bass but sounds like utter mud on guitar! You’re right about the differing tonal characteristics of different types of instruments, that’s for sure. I’m not an audio expert, but my ears work enough to detect that much! Hmm, I haven’t tried a boost with an autowah. Do you think my LPB-1 might give that “icepick” sound with a regular wah, like my Jim Dunlop Crybaby? I have been wondering if I should combine the two but I’d rather avoid any icepick tones if possible.
And, yes, my friend, a good tube amp is at the top of my gear list! Ha, that’s funny, I had the exact same opinion as you! I thought people were nuts and “elitist” for using tube amps until I realized that all my favorite guitar tones were made with tube amps, hah hah! I looked at some Bogner models, now I’m interested in the Alchemist you mentioned. Hmmm, I’ve been checking eBay, I’ll definitely give craigslist a shot, thanks for that info.
Wow, thanks for all the awesome responses you guys! EHX forum members sure are helpful! :}
July 20, 2012 at 5:11 pm #117893crazymatt89ParticipantYou shouldn’t have any problems using a cry baby with it. I have the Cry Baby 535q and it works fine with it as long as it’s in front of the boost. Most people say to have your wah first in the chain anyway unless you do the whole distortion box then wah thing (I personally hate that sound). As for the bogner I’m glad I turned you on to it! It’s a great amp, very versatile. The only thing it can’t do is metal distortion so if your into that I would just by a EHX metal muff. The only downside to it is the fact that it weighs a ton!! The 1X12 I have weighs 65 pounds.
July 24, 2012 at 3:51 am #117908jpleongMemberQuote:If you ever get into a lot of effects you can use it to compensate for the loss of signal. That’s what I use mine for now. I actually did the same thing you did when I first bought mine. I had a Line 6 ss amp. I figured a little extra dirt in my sound would be cool. Turns out it doesn’t work that way.The Line6 amps are digital solid state. You were overloading/distorting the converter which is why it didn’t sound good.
Pushing an analog solid state amp can sound pretty good. No different a concept to boosting into an overdrive, distortion, or fuzz to get “more.”
JP
July 27, 2012 at 12:48 am #117934synthaxeMemberThe only way to really tell is to try it. I use a lot of pedals for things they weren’t really ever intended for. One example is when I bought my Maestro W2: The maestro was never really designed to work with a guitar signal, It was designed to work with a woodwind, so when I plugged my guitar into it there wasn’t enough signal to drive it. Not even my OD808 boosted it enough. I got to thinking, and what I ended up trying (and still do) is using my 16 Second Digital Delay in DSP Bypass mode and cranking the Dry Out. This provides more than enough signal to drive the W3. Now I understand that this is not ideal, but when I want to play around with my W3 it does work. Point being, you’ll never know until you try. One thing I would watch out for (and I believe someone already mentioned this,) is pushing a digital amp too hard. Digital distortion that is pushed beyond where it’s “comfortable” is usually not very appealing. Just remember, don’t get caught up in “this was designed for this, not that” type of stuff. If it sounds okay to you, go with it. Pedals are tools, use them in anyway that will get the job done. A lot of it is preference, especially when it comes to boosts of any kind.
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