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  • November 28, 2009 at 3:07 am #79403
    firesgt911
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    Anyone ever think that Tim Armstrong thinks his little brother, Billy Joe, just isn’t that punk? I’m by no means punk, but enjoy the music. I just wonder sometimes, because of the difference between Rancid and Green Day.

    Thoughts…

    November 28, 2009 at 7:47 am #104340
    DarkAxel
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    my thoughts?

    DUDE, THEY ARE BROTHERS?!

    i don’t listen to nor GD nor Rancid but i know about them (of course… i’m trying to know as much about music as possible) but a few year ago i was actually enjoying the green day… well… that’s surprise :)

    my opinion is that if he ever did, he stopped after release of the 21th century breakdown

    November 28, 2009 at 10:42 am #104342
    electro-melx
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    Well, ‘punk’ has become pretty meaningless these days, it really hasn’t really meant anything since the second wave of UK punk in the 80’s … I tend to think of all modern bands these days as ‘inspired by punk’ or ‘punk influenced’ which bands like Green Day are without a doubt. Billie Joe knows his stuff he’s no fake, but he is almost my age (I think he’s 37/38 now?) so he ain’t gonna be the same person he was when they released ‘Kerplunk’. ‘Punk’ bands were always varied in musical style, Siouxsie and the Banshees, the Buzzcocks and The Damned had very little in common musically.

    …. if Tim Armstrong has become the judge on who’s punk and who isn’t in the US, then I think that’s pretty sad.

    November 28, 2009 at 2:05 pm #104347
    BlueSteel
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    They aren’t brothers.

    November 28, 2009 at 5:10 pm #104353
    firesgt911
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    They aren’t brothers.

    Irrelevant! HAHAHA! Wow, I was misinformed! My mistake.

    November 28, 2009 at 5:36 pm #104356
    John J
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    well they’re brothers in a sense though – same last name aside, they emerged out of the same scene at relatively the same time (operation ivy and green day were labelmates in the late ’80s and both were pretty prominent in the gilman st. scene).

    they rose to fame at AROUND the same time – if i recall properly, dookie was released around 1994 and i believe out come the wolves was released 1995? i can’t be certain because i dont much care for rancid and i dont want to look it up, but basically BJ’s and tim’s bands are connected even if they’re not actually brothers. hopefully i didnt get any facts wrong, i didnt bother to look anything up this morning. also i am still a huge green day fan even though they totally lost me with 21st century breakdown – i tried but i just cant get into it!

    i think that if anyone deserves to speak on the state of mainstream punk right now, it is fat mike and joe queer. nofx and the queers are among the few bands who have recognized that they are aging, and that they are well past their creative peak. they’re just trying to put out decent records because that’s all they have ever tried to do – basically, doing the whole pop-punk thing because they love it. it’s confusing to me, but the two bands have found a way to age gracefully without ever growing up. in my opinion of course… i have some nostalgic ties to pop-punk bands that were famous in the ’90s.

    November 28, 2009 at 6:36 pm #104357
    BlueSteel
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    well, i really havent listened to rancid, but from what i heard, i like them. but i’ve always been a fan of green day.

    am i the only person who ejoyes 21st century breakdown? it seems like theres a lot of hatin on it.

    November 28, 2009 at 7:03 pm #104107
    John J
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    i wouldnt say i hate the record, i’m just not a fan of the new ‘arena rock’ green day. too many of the tracks remind me of u2, which i find to be a bad thing, although had the record sounded like dookie pt.2 i would have liked it even less. at least they’re trying new things and moving forward rather than stagnating (like bad religion and the vandals, as much as it pains me to say it).

    my favorite green day record was nimrod just because they threw a billion ideas at the wall and saw which ones stuck – it was their white album, basically, and i love that style of recordmaking. so in summation: even though i dont like the new direction green day has taken, i still respect them for progressing and moving forward. and i also hope that the next record is different from anything they have ever done before.

    November 28, 2009 at 7:14 pm #104361
    electro-melx
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    i wouldnt say i hate the record, i’m just not a fan of the new ‘arena rock’ green day. too many of the tracks remind me of u2, which i find to be a bad thing, although had the record sounded like dookie pt.2 i would have liked it even less. at least they’re trying new things and moving forward rather than stagnating (like bad religion and the vandals, as much as it pains me to say it).

    my favorite green day record was nimrod just because they threw a billion ideas at the wall and saw which ones stuck – it was their white album, basically, and i love that style of recordmaking. so in summation: even though i dont like the new direction green day has taken, i still respect them for progressing and moving forward. and i also hope that the next record is different from anything they have ever done before.

    yeah, Nimrod was a great album… I wasn’t really a fan of ‘dookie’ because to me it just sounded like they had taken the best songs off 39smooth and Kerplunk and re-written them again. I did like Insomniac a lot more when that came out. They still put a smile on my face when I hear them, but I’d prefer to listen to something else these days.

    November 28, 2009 at 7:20 pm #104362
    firesgt911
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    I prefer older Green Day too. It seems they keep trying to get out a political message, which is cool, but they seem to focus more on the message than the music. Kind of a turn off for me. I did see Green Day in concert about 10 years ago, and it was one of the best show I have seen. They are good musicians!

    November 28, 2009 at 8:37 pm #104366
    electro-melx
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    I prefer older Green Day too. It seems they keep trying to get out a political message, which is cool, but they seem to focus more on the message than the music. Kind of a turn off for me. I did see Green Day in concert about 10 years ago, and it was one of the best show I have seen. They are good musicians!

    well you could argue that ‘real’ punk was always about the message more than the music… but anyways like I said before they aren’t kids anymore so it would be kind of weird if they were still singing about girls in coffee shops, being bored youths or whatever! I presume they are just singing about what interests them now.

    November 28, 2009 at 10:05 pm #104372
    julian
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    mainstream punk seems like an oxymoron. . . I can’t stand Green Day.

    BTW, while we’re on the subject: best punk bands (in my opinion):

    Mission of Burma
    The Saints
    Wipers
    The Clash
    The Ramones
    Naked Raygun
    Fugazi
    The Damned
    Gang of Four
    The Mekons
    Bad Brains
    The Stooges
    Rites of Spring
    Nation of Ulysses
    The Replacements
    Stiff Little Fingers

    I’m not super big on west coast punk, I like midwest and east coast punk the best, followed by punk from the Isles.

    November 28, 2009 at 10:30 pm #104378
    Dreamhunter
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    I would add Wire to the list too :)

    November 28, 2009 at 10:42 pm #104380
    John J
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    +1 on wire, and also, the cramps – even though they sort of fall under psychobilly which is a pretty distinct subgenre…

    November 28, 2009 at 10:44 pm #104381
    julian
    Moderator

    I’ll agree on those.

    Oh, and add the Misfits. Those first 3 albums are so great.

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