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July 18, 2012 at 6:20 pm #82468hut86Member
Hi,
we want to use EXH 2880 in live situation in a highly MIDIfied band — so far, we were able to make it do everything we need except one thing, which I hope you guys can help me with:
We have a master clock running at all times setting the BPM for the whole band and we also send MIDI start command at the beginning of each song (to align first beat in all MIDIed devices). 2880 is slaved to the master (ext. clock and quantize on). We want to do the following:
1) start the song using MIDI start command
2) freely play intro on the instrument connected to 2880, say 8 bars
3) then, for the verse, the player records a quantized loop (4 bars; borders of the loop “fall” on the grid established by MIDI start command sent at the beginning), immediatelly plays it back and plays fills live on top of it (without recording)This we can do, but we need help with this:
4) for chorus (8 bars), we need to mute the loop (so it is running in the background, silent, but it’s there)
5) then, for the second verse, we need the loop immediatelly backMy questions are:
Q1: Is there a way to mute the track other than setting the track slider to 0? This is not an option for us, as the player cannot use his hands at the time. I know this can be done using MIDI program change command, but can this be done using the 2880 foot controller alone?
Q2: Can the mute/unmute operation be quantized somehow?
Q3: Pressing PLAY at the beginning of the chorus seems to do something very close to what we want, except we lose synchronization of the beats (after “unmuting” the track, the loop is off the “grid” established at the beginning of the song) — is this normal behavior?
Thank you very much!
July 20, 2012 at 2:37 am #117886CryabetesParticipant1- yes; although you’d want to send a CC command, not a program change command; no, it cannot be done via foot controller alone
2- provided you’re using a DAW or hardware that can transmit the CC value, yes.
3- no, but starting and stopping the clock + unmuting would get you the desired result. the off the grid bit is what would happen if you’re losing the live clock (and therefore playing faster or whatever live) or changing BPM (which seems to monkey unneccesarily with the synchronizations).July 20, 2012 at 10:59 pm #117895hut86MemberThanks for the answer, if I may further elaborate:
2: The CC value will be send by other device (probably a MIDI controller pedal), what I meant was — can I send the CC “off the grid” and make 2880 react “on the grid”? If I get the manual right, this is not possible as the only operation which is quantized is starting and stopping recording of the first loop only…?
3: We cannot send MIDI start or stop commands during the song as it would confuse other devices down the MIDI chain, but I am pretty sure we are not losing MIDI clock in the middle of the song, nor changing the tempo… So what should happen when I press PLAY repeatedly during the song (after the loop has been recorder)?
Thanks again, this is highly appreciated!
July 23, 2012 at 3:44 pm #117904CryabetesParticipant2 – depends on what’s sending the midi cc stuff and whether it can do non-quantized messages or not; I know the 2880 will react fine to those.
3 – nothing (unless your play button is also a pause button, in which case it’ll pause ). same way as you’ll lose your grid when you hit the reverse button. it’d be rad if it would jump back to the start of the loop, but alas, the start/stop combo seems to be the only commands it does that with.
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