:doh: You’re right, I was thinking the depth of something designed for chorus and vibrato wouldn’t have the proper depth for flanging because everyone likes wide flange sweeps as opposed to more shallow ones but I forgot that the shorter the delay, the more impact a miniscule change has. So thus depth wouldn’t be important.

Can the delay get short enough to at least get into the bathroom verb range? Basically- can I do this with it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSl3NzW62iw

it seems the delay time question was already answered on HCFX- 550ms supposedly. This was from the same guy that had the expression pedal scoop, so I’d think it’s accurate.

Pardon?

….there are many advantages to use SMD’s it really makes no sense to make mass produced pedals with through hole components these days.

“Why buy an analog delay if it’s made with SMD? It has no sense.” …….. care to elaborate for people that don’t understand what you are saying? (including me!!)

i wonder what the difference in sound quality is between panasonic and chinese copies of panasonics

I personally build most of my effects and just buy a few and by building them I know that there is a difference between using a cheap electrolyte and a philips one, this just to make an example. When I build my effects I choose carefully the right components, if it’s a vintage one I use ceramic cond instead of film ones and carbon composition resistors instead of metal ones, etc..etc.. Now if I’m using a pedal built which SMD (which is super cheap) I can hear it, there is a clear difference, sounds sharp and not very expressive. In fact I think the carbon copy delay is a bad pedal. I know SMD makes it possible to put effects in smaller boxes but I prefer to have less effects and more quality if the sound is so unusable.

That has less to do with SMD as a whole, and more to do with the design and manufacturer. A cheaply made and poorly designed pedal is a cheaply made and poorly designed pedal, regardless of whether or not the components are SMD. It just so happens that it’s cheaper to use SMD nowadays for these terrible designs. They are not the cause of said poor quality, however. SMD is the standard for digital devices for a reason.

Being an effects junkie and a bass player, I’ve used a lot of pedals over the past few years. Some of the digital ones I’ve used sound far better than comparable analog ones. I don’t understand the origin of your “unusable sound” belief, nor have I heard this “sharpness” and “lack of expression” you describe. I’ve never heard something that appalling which used SMD (although I’m sure some plenty of terrible SMD-based pedals exist). I can’t say the same about traditional components, but again, it’s all about design and sonic preferences.

The types of parts used and their properties can have some impact on the sound of an effect, but this in no way suggests that SMD is perpetually inferior. If you really do believe that, you may as well throw out most of your electronic equipment, since SMDs are everywhere.

surface mount device

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-mount_technology

Good lord, I’m going to have to get that Vocoder box as well!