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  • #84556
    Paulh
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    Thank you for the tech support.
    I have a basic Home D (Commercial Electric) digital meter, with a diode function. (not an expensive auto type)

    Transistors removed:
    With positive on the base, both the collector and emitter read 706-714.
    With negative on the base, both read 1.

    I have not tried a new electro cap, need to buy one.
    The ones I have are decades old. But what are the odds the ones I have tried are junk?

    The 2N4401 do have more gain than the BC239, per what I hear in the volume by rotating the pot.
    (If this would be true)

    So still at square one, NO FUZZ, The transistors check out good, correct ?

    #121902
    Scruffie
    Member

    Right, first of all, can you just reply to this thread or its going to get very confusing reading a new thread every step.

    Second, you need to take the voltages with the transistors in, set the multimeter to the 20V range setting, stick the black probe on the enclosure (a screw hole makes a nice anchor) and use the red probe to measure each transistors 3 pins and put the voltages up for each one, like this;

    Transistor 1
    C (collector) 2V
    B (base) 0.6V
    E (emitter) 0V

    Transistor 2… etc.

    #121903
    Paulh
    Participant

    Here are the readings with 9v battery installed.

    Transistor 1 (nearest the output (amp)) Com cable in screw hole

    C = -0.49
    B = -7.83
    E = -8.38

    Transistor 2

    C = -7.83
    B = -9.06
    E = -9.64

    Base of T1 is connected to Collector of T2.

    Thanks again

    Paul

    #121904
    Scruffie
    Member

    Hmm, definitely something not right, your voltages are way off, transistor one should have ground on its emitter.

    Does your meter have a continuity setting? It’ll probably be paired with the diode checker and have a little o))) symbol, if so, set the meter to that and put one lead on to the enclosure and one on to the ground point on the board to make sure it’s connected, if it is it should beep.

    Are you sure you put the new battery snap on the right way round too? If you reversed the polarity that would be a problem.

    #121905
    Paulh
    Participant

    I took pictures of it before I did anything. So yes the bat is connected correct. My meter does not have continuity. See my point to point earlier post with pics.

    T2 emitter is connected to bat negative and electro cap neg plus 2 resistors.

    http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/69-electro-harmonix-muff-fuzz-eh-2008-plug-in.1333519/

    Picture shows guts simular. BUT not really near exact.
    note the bat pos connected to the pot can just like mine.
    Looking at muff fuzz circuits on the net,l see e connected to ground in all but one, little muff pi.
    I have not found a circuit exact as mine. Neither e on my circuit connects directly to ground without going thru a resistor or the electro cap.

    #121958
    Scruffie
    Member

    Sorry for the delay in reply.

    Ah, right I see whats happened, the voltages are ‘right’ but they’re just inverted as it’s positive ground so they actually read like this;

    Transistor 1

    C = 9.15
    B = 1.81
    E = 1.26

    Transistor 2

    C = 1.81
    B = 0.58
    E = 0

    Which is in range so the circuit should be functioning.

    So, time to investigate the switch, as you say you have no continuity tester on your meter we’ll have to do it with resistance, so first off take the battery out and put your meter on to the ohms setting.
    Then you see the switch has 2 rows of 3 lugs, put your probe common on the center lug of one row and the other lead to the lug to the left of it, it should read either (near) infinite or (near) zero resistance, then slide the switch to the other position and it should read the opposite of the first test (so if you measured infinite first it should now read zero after sliding the switch and vice versa).
    Then while keeping the probe common on the center lug put the other lead to the lug to the right of it and repeat the test, do this for both rows.

    Report back with how you got on and then it might be time to build an audio probe.

    #121989
    Paulh
    Participant

    Scruffie:

    Thank you very much for the electronic lessons.
    Switch tests out OK using the ohm method.
    With the unit plugged in, switch in the Fuzz setting, still no fuzz even if I use a screw driver and go across the lugs, in essence making sure it is “switched”.
    I do have a 1.5-3.0 volt mini buzzer (new in package), 9 volt battery “holder” and set of resistors.

    Regards

    Paul

    #122002
    Scruffie
    Member

    Okay, next step then is an audio probe, here is a guide to building one and how to use one, it’s quite simple and should get to the bottom of where the problem is.

    http://www.diystompboxes.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debugging

    And the schematic to work from;

    mufffuzztransschem.gif

    Test at the base and collector of each transistor and describe what you hear.

    #122010
    Paulh
    Participant

    I printed out the debugging instructions. Shows how to make an audio probe that plugs into an amp.
    Question: Is the 9v battery installed in the effect when doing the probing ?
    Question: Could an audio probe be made with a 1.5v buzzer, 1.5v battery, 0.10uf cap and ground clip (no amp used) ?
    Would it do the same job ?

    (I have the parts to do either method but was just wondering…)

    Regards

    Paul

    #122025
    Scruffie
    Member

    Hi Paul,

    No a buzzer wont be any good, the point of the audio probe is that you can hear exactly what is happening to the signal at different points in the circuit, so if you probed the input transistor base and there was nothing or a very weak signal you could assume there’s a bad connection from the input jack or a short somewhere and if you probed the second transistors collector and there was no boosting happening you’d know the issue was between the transistors etc.

    And yes the 9V battery needs to be installed and the circuit switched on with some kind of signal being put through the circuit (strumming a guitar, a CD player or whatever) when probing.

    #122026
    Paulh
    Participant

    Ok, will try. Will post latter (3 wks) the results / questions.
    Thanks again for the tips…

    Paul

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