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  • #85453
    Antoniojoy
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    Hi, i use my wailer with a Bluesbreaker II Marshall distorsion pedal into a SuperChamp X2 amp. I`ve notice i only get a propper wah effect with the distorsion before the wah, the other way it sounds like a switch change rather than a smooth wah effect. Is that normal? Does anybody knows a solution? Thanks!

    #124265
    EHX STAFF
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    Hi
    There are the two ways to use the wah, before or after distortion/Od.
    Placing the wah after distortion yields a filtered distortion sound like synthesizer.
    Traditionally a synth will have its filtering after the oscillator. It drastically cuts the high end as the pedal goes heel down.
    Placing the wah in front of the OD or distortion is a very different sound and it modifies the signal feed to the distortion stage which changes the harmonics the distortion stage creates. Much less drastic of a sound.
    A classic example is the Hendrix sound which was his wah in front of the Marshall amps.

    You may have your distortion gain to high OR the pedal already has a big mid boost defeating the action of the wah.
    Start by lowering the distortion pedals gain a bit and see if that helps or try an od pedal with less pre-mids and distortion.

    #124269
    gvelasco
    Participant

    This is normal, and in fact it’s part of an age-old debate/discussion. Do you put your wah before or after your dirt? One thing that the EHX admin didn’t mention is that some combinations of wah and distortion actually don’t work because of impedance problems with older pedals. This is mainly a problem with old Cry Babies. I don’t think that any of the EHX pedals are susceptible to this, but they [strong]MIGHT [/strong]be depending on the fuzz.

    The best way, and really the only way I think, is to just try it out yourself and decide what you like best. Not only does it sound different depending on the order, but HOW different it sounds depending on the order also depends on the wah and the distortion. If I put my EHX Cock Fight Plus before my Big Muff with lots of gain, I can barely tell when I turn it on. If I put it before my Hot Tubes, Soul Food, or Germanium Big Muff with mild distortion, I can get that classic distortion going into an overdriven tube amp sound. If I put my Cock Fight Plus after my Big Muff, it’s almost TOO much wah. It’s VERY synth-like. If I set my Cock Fight Plus to “vocal” and use the built-in distortion BEFORE the wah, I can get clear formant-type “wah”. If I do the same but switch the distortion AFTER the vocal wah, I can barely tell that it’s on, and that’s with the built-in distortion.

    So, the best thing is to just try it out and see what works best for you. Here’s a video of how bad it can be:

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