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March 8, 2010 at 12:09 am #79994fingersoccerMember
So I have an EHX Little Big Muff, and I want to be able to take the Sustain knob down to a more usable range. I never turn it past maybe 9 o’clock because everything after that is too over the top. Would simply changing out the Sustain potentiometer to a different value effectively change the range? For instance, instead of having full blown shredding starting at 11 o’clock, I would want it closer to 3-4 o’clock, making the usable range wider. Ideas?
March 8, 2010 at 12:15 am #108250The EH ManModeratorThere’s a resistor that goes from the outer lug of the Sustain pot to ground. You can replace it with a larger value if you have the tools to do surface-mount.
March 8, 2010 at 1:04 am #108251Ned FlandersModeratorTry 10k-15k….. (limiting resistor)
March 10, 2010 at 3:43 pm #108347fingersoccerMemberOK, so the 10k-15k suggestion is for the resistor that goes from the Sustain pot to ground, right? Thanks!
March 10, 2010 at 11:01 pm #108370Ned FlandersModeratorYes.
But decreasing sustain is just a matter of turning the knob down. The resistors not going to effect it on maximum setting at all because there’s zero resistance from lug 3 to 2 on maximum and there’s 100+k resistance to ground and the signal will take the path of least resistance…ie;lug 3 to lug 2.
If you want less sustain on a lower setting you would actually want to reduce the resistor as the lower it gets the more signal passes to ground and if you remove the resistor all together it will ground out and become silent, hence, basically become another volume pot.
I would put a 560 Ohm in it. Much less than this and you will have no distortion at all on zero.
(BTW, I misread your post the first time)
When a certain amount (I’m not sure of the actual percentage) of muff signal goes to ground it starts sounding bad as you would probably know from turning it down. IMO the muff sounds best with the sustain no less then 2 o’clock,it just doesn’t have a very usable sustain control. Its not actually a distortion control BTW,its just a pot between the first input stage which is a clean boost and the first clipping stage.
I’ve always wondered whether it would be better having the sustain pot pre- circuit rather than after stage one. A lot of fuzz pedals have this set up, I’ve never tried it on a muff but I have been meaning to.
The metal muff has a very usable distortion pot,it can be turned to zero and still sound really really good, its very user friendly.
March 11, 2010 at 2:17 am #108377ranjamMemberI might get crapped on for saying this, but it won’t be the first (or last) time, so here goes nothing. To me, and with all that eye-straining SMT ‘stuff’, if you don’t like the pedal the way it is, flip it over and get a different pedal. Mucking about with the surface mount components, if you aren’t super careful and 101% sure of what you are doing, you risk ruining a good pedal. What if you want to put that itsy-bitsy-teeny-weenie resistor back? :doh: A vintage Little Big Muff is easier, but then again you are screwing with a vintage (and collectible) pedal. I don’t see a ‘win’ happening anywhere here, and just one lose-lose after another.
March 11, 2010 at 7:17 am #108385Ned FlandersModeratorVintage LBM’s and XO LBM are totally different! Still muffs, but not the same at all.
I do agree though ,unless you know what you are doing modding SMD is not a good idea. if however you do know what you are doing its no more of an inconvenience than modding any other pedal.
March 11, 2010 at 7:49 am #108386julianModeratorhere’s an easy way to do it without modding the pedal (which is a PAIN on SMD):
Give it less voltage:
March 12, 2010 at 11:53 pm #108432ranjamMemberMy fear is that less B+ doesn’t decrease gain, but headroom. The noise may come up as well, although for the life of me I have no idea why I think that.
Has anyone seen a real schematic for this very pedal? Not a generic ‘Little Big Muff’ schematic, but the EHX with reference numbers for the parts? Maybe you can come up with some type of easy ‘snip, snip; less gain!‘ mod.March 13, 2010 at 12:46 am #108434Ned FlandersModeratorThere’s a way to decrease gain easy enough but it still involves removing and replacing resistors.
Read my article here:http://sovtek.webs.com/bmpgainfactor.htmApril 27, 2010 at 11:04 pm #98824johnlohnMemberQuote:There’s a way to decrease gain easy enough but it still involves removing and replacing resistors.
Read my article here:http://sovtek.webs.com/bmpgainfactor.htmWowie! Very in depth article, I think it all went way over my head. You really know your stuff. I have a few old pedals that I never use and I am thinking it might be fun to tinker with them. Good luck with your mod.
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