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  • #78116
    danhappysalad
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    I have an idea for a pedal I thought I would share!

    It would use the same polyphonic pitch shifting technology as the POG or Micro POG, but instead of an octave below/octave up, you could select a number of semitones below the dry signal, perhaps up to a maximum of 4.

    With full effected signal blend this would allow you to play songs that are down half a step for example little wing or voodoo chile without fiddling around physically retuning your guitar. Also set at two semitones it would be easy to play the many rock songs using low D power chords as a consequence of drop-D tuning.

    Think of it as a capo you can move below the nut.

    If you blended in the dry signal it would give you a kind of harmony/chorus effect with no swirly rate.

    I had this idea trying to use my digitech whammy’s drop tune setting for a similar effect, but of course that pedal cannot track chords like the POG so it’s not nearly as useful as this idea would be!

    #95965
    nneekolas
    Participant

    Wow, that’s actually a really great idea. It’d be like harmonizing with a baritone guitar or blending out the dry signal completely and sounding like one.

    #96051
    WatsonWood
    Member

    That is one fabulous idea!

    #96060
    BlueSteel
    Participant

    I’ve never thought of something like that. It would definitely be useful for me because i hate having to re-tune my guitar for certain songs.

    #96062
    WatsonWood
    Member

    Maybe we should add a Drop Tune Pedal to the list of the Crying Tone re-issues.

    #96258
    Chumley
    Participant

    That’d be great.

    #96265
    John J
    Member

    The HOG can do this nicely, but it’s pricy and way too feature-filled to be a plausible choice for someone looking solely for a drop-tuning effect. You can either use the root slider or the +5th slider in octave down mode and bend the note to taste with the expression pedal; I used this method to tune down to B for a drone band I’m playing in, but I had to stop because it doesn’t sound quite right with distortion no matter whether the dirt is before or after the HOG. On a clean guitar, it works great and sounds surprisingly natural.

    #96336
    WatsonWood
    Member

    John J, what type of distortion are you using?

    #96339
    John J
    Member

    I’ve tried:

    Boss DF-2, MXR Bass Blowtorch, Fulltone Full Drive II, Maxon OOD-9, Zvex Box of Metal, Boss ODB-3, Way Huge Fat Sandwich, EHX Graphic Fuzz, MXR Blue Box, and both the NYC and the XO Little Big Muff (I don’t own all of those, though).

    When you run the dirt into the HOG, you wind up with a digitized sound that sounds absolutely great when you blend in the dry signal with a few intervals turned up. Using it to tune down gives you a really synthetic sound that isn’t intolerable, but certainly not a tone worth chasing. Proper use of the filter will allow you to get by, but the other guitarist in my band is a real tone snob and so this method just couldn’t fly.

    It’s difficult to describe the problem you get when you run the HOG into the distortion – it was the most pronounced on the Box of Metal (which I returned near immediately) and least noticeable on the Graphic Fuzz. I guess I would say that it introduces a subtle fizziness and gives you a highly synthetic sounding tone. The part that irked me is that the problem doesn’t arise on the +1 or -1 settings, and is much less noticeable even in the more ‘extreme’ slider shifts. It seems it’s only when you try to tune specific pitches with the expression pedal that you run into trouble because I’ve used HOG -> Big Muff for fuzzy basstones on more recordings than I’ve used an actual bass for, and in an experiment, I played a ‘guitar’ solo running a bass shifted up two octaves into the Graphic Fuzz just to see how it sounded. I was far from disappointed.

    I’m almost positive the problem has to do with the expression pedal because when you shift the original pitch up an octave or down an octave, it doesn’t sound the same as if you just use the +1 or -1 sliders…

    #96353
    danhappysalad
    Participant

    Yeah it’s nice that the HOG can do it, good to know. But I think there is a case for this as a much simpler stand-alone pedal! Especially important to make it work with dirt. I think the POG works well with dirt but maybe it is easier to deal with when moving a whole octave since it is the same note? Anyway this is where the development work would have to go I guess.

    Also it’s a bit of a pain using an expression pedal to find the middle point. This is what I was doing with my digitech whammy IV… I have put my tuner after the whammy in chain to help me do it but it’s not exactly something you can do like a flick of a switch.

    I guess you could have an expression jack on this drop tune pedal so you could gliss between normal and de-tuned pitch, but primarily I was hoping for a very simple pedal that just worked without many features.

    I think this pedal would inspire a lot of great riffs without requiring some ungainly 7 string guitar to discover them! Imagine… Kashmir and Moby Dick a stomp away…

    #96358
    Kevin Demuth
    Member
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    I have an idea for a pedal I thought I would share!

    It would use the same polyphonic pitch shifting technology as the POG or Micro POG, but instead of an octave below/octave up, you could select a number of semitones below the dry signal, perhaps up to a maximum of 4.

    With full effected signal blend this would allow you to play songs that are down half a step for example little wing or voodoo chile without fiddling around physically retuning your guitar. Also set at two semitones it would be easy to play the many rock songs using low D power chords as a consequence of drop-D tuning.

    you can do this with a Boss PS-5; there are several modes, one of which allows you to drop (or raise) the pitch by (iirc) 1,2,5,7,12 or 24 semitones.
    i had one for a little while but didn’t spend that much time using it – but i do remember it sounding pretty good.
    the only issue though – and this seems to be common with pitchshifting effects as it happens with my Micro Pog and rack effects too – is that lowering the pitch seems to slightly ‘soften’ the attack of your notes.

    #96361
    WatsonWood
    Member

    It is true that when one puts two EHX pedals together the result is not 2 but 3+ to infinity. So synth sounds are never far way. The question is, John J, polyphonic shift change or mono? Boss make a good octave pedal, and if you can get hold of a vintage EHX Deluxe Octave Multiplexer it has good tracking sub-octave performance and also an integrated muff fuzz.
    The drop tune pedal concept is still really interesting. Gerard Lhomme, a sound engineer I work with in Brittany, France, is looking for a one-pedal solution for the studio Fender Rhodes for solo chorusing in mid scale on the keyboard. The best solution we found so far involved three pedals linked together. Then I suggested the POG and his answer was that in that sound direction he already had his Eventide ( ****!!). Well, he is a sound engineer.
    The point is, a Drop Tune Pedal should deliver the goods, meaning a semi-tone come tone change etc of the signal fed to it, be that natural or with prior effects…and polyphonic. I still reckon this should be possible while avoiding the “synth” colouring John J. describes.

    #96384
    WatsonWood
    Member

    I take your point entirely. This said, it is difficult, in fact impossible, to drop tuning on a Deagan Electravibe! Vibraphones are rarely played in comparison with other instruments, even more so in the electric music department, and Electravibes are virtually non-existent. The few other players I have come across use them in mainstream jazz combos which is not really my aspiration…being an EHX aficionado..For the moment I use the Octave Multiplexer. Polyphonic would be cool.

    #96415
    danhappysalad
    Participant

    Admittedly turning the low E down to D is easy, but turning every string down a semitone for example is a lot more annoying. Also one of my guitars has a floyd rose locking tremolo, and those really do make it annoying to retune! Shame cos they stay in tune really well. This pedal would fix all that.

    Clearly a pedal that could do individual strings for all kinds of alternate tunings would be amazing, but I feel that would be a significantly more difficult engineering challenge to create. You’d probably need individual pickups for each string on the guitar and all that jazz. I reckon if this was feasible someone would have made it already (and it would be horrendously expensive). I hear there is software that can do this sort of thing in post production now though…

    Anyway I was hoping my drop tune idea would be simple and within the realms of feasibility (and reasonable cost).

    #96624
    danhappysalad
    Participant

    Another thing is that tuning down often necessitates fitting thicker gauge strings, so even if you did spend the time retuning the whole guitar down a step your set of 9s might not be ideal anymore! With the drop tune pedal this is solved.

    Also there’s no reason you couldn’t use it with alternate tunings; for example you could go from open A tuning to open G by using the pedal to drop 1 step.

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